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Ooooohhh Now you've done it - Ive started reading 13 Steps again!!



Richard

Seems like a micro wireless printer the size of a Cigarette packet or smaller could print out a lottery ticket with no bother... with the giant budgets of TV networks this would be a piece of cake

Just needs some dude behind a certain to punch in the numbers as they are called out and Blaine just pulls it out of his back pocket.. freshly printed

I guess some of the prediction chests that you see advertized use the same principle.

Tell you what...take a look at the revamped version of natural lottery, I think it is by Anthony Owen. It costs £95 at the moment

Then read 13 steps

Now aren't I nice

After ploughing through this thread, i think it's time for somebody to word some kind of essay on the subject of method versus effect. Hopefully it'll be good enough that Mandrake turns it into a Sticky.

There's a lot of newbies who seem desperate to acquire knowledge of how a certain effect is achieved, possibly because they want to re-create it themselves. In this day and age, there are an awful lot of lazy people out there. They don't want to read a book and then come up with a method themselves, they want the method explained, then they'll do the trick and move on to the next one.

I used to be like that, and I'm not afraid to admit it. The more you do this though, the more you discover - as someone else said - that when you come up with your own method it's more exciting, and usually leads you on to coming up with an entirely new effect. Even more exciting.

The 13 Steps book is basically an encyclopedia of applications. Yes there are tricks in there, but like so many have said, it's more useful as an ideas mannual. You could liken them to a DL, in the sense that the DL is a technique used for many tricks, or could be applied to many tricks to obtain a certain effect. It's hard to come up with an example without giving tricks away, but i hope you know what i mean.

Having been in Eshley's boat, i know how he feels being desperate to acquire something he'd seen Derren or David do. Lots of D's there. I also know that with time he'll start thinking on his own and though he may use those people for inspiration, he'll cease the desire to replicate their moves exactly.

So come on chaps, write something useful about this so we can direct people there when this comes up again.....

i can do two different cracking lottery effects using an effect from 13 steps, and one from another mentalist's book...

i can also, because i've studied hard, replicate blaines version very easily...

and do my own version, live, anywhere at all...using 12 people to generate the numbers as we go (a number each to make up 6 in total, 02, 12 etc) - and they can keep the real lottery ticket - which can be in an envelope held by someone else from the start...and not opened by me either...

no stooge,
no pre-show
no swami
no dual reality
no hypnosis

easy, simple, clean, pure...

so - stick that up yer jumper, and go and do some proper study...you may have read all your books twice (wow! ) but you havent studied them...big difference...

IAIN wrote:i can do two different cracking lottery effects using an effect from 13 steps, and one from another mentalist's book...

i can also, because i've studied hard, replicate blaines version very easily...

and do my own version, live, anywhere at all...using 12 people to generate the numbers as we go (a number each to make up 6 in total, 02, 12 etc) - and they can keep the real lottery ticket - which can be in an envelope held by someone else from the start...and not opened by me either...

no stooge,
no pre-show
no swami
no dual reality
no hypnosis

easy, simple, clean, pure...

so - stick that up yer jumper, and go and do some proper study...you may have read all your books twice (wow! ) but you havent studied them...big difference...

If you can seriously do that sir, then I salute you, because I have been trying to do that for a long time and I haven't found a way yet.


Tom
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Eshly wrote:If you can seriously do that sir, then I salute you, because I have been trying to do that for a long time and I haven't found a way yet.


Tom
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Do what mr dunford did, and read 13 steps and annemann

If you can't work out how to do it then you're looking in the wrong place. Think differently (and study the classics!).

I've got a totally impromptu book test that will work with any book and gets great reactions. The "moment" that makes it work is something mentioned in passing just once in 13 Steps. There's gold in those pages!

I think people think I am saying 13 steps is bad, its not.

I feel like a Christian trying to find truth in the bible, but cannot because he is scientist. (I.e I know its in the book somewhere... its just I cannot see it)

Wow, this thread is sure getting long !

Grimshaw, Iain and Beardy have given good advice, please listen to what they are saying. If you dont listen now you'll only wish you had a few years down the line.

Im not a mentalist but alot of the points discussed can be applied to close-up magic aswell, or in fact any branch of magic. Study the literature, and i mean really study, dont speed read. Read carefully and think about what youre reading, study the techniques and learn to understand them. In a few years time youll have the knowledge to create any effect you wish.

Weve all been where you are now, and i understand you wanting to know everything. Knowing a technique or method is not enough, you must really understand it before you realise its full potential, and there is a vast diffirence between knowing something and understanding something. This understanding can only come from focused study, thought and time - it cant be rushed. jim

I don't know if everyone just abandoned the thread in the hopes it would go away so I hope I'm not reviving anything that should not be revived.

Eshly- If you have an ipod, or itunes, go to the Magic Newswire Podcast: This Week In Review Episode #10. Towards the latter half of the podcast, Jamy Ian Swiss gives great advice that I though related somewhat to what you were asking.


Just a thought.

Eshly,


Most effects are based on a number of methods. Many of those methods are very old, found in many of the classical books on mentalism. (Many of the effects that are on the market today, for sale by themselves, are actually based on old methods, that have been around for decades.) Although those books may not have the particular effect you are looking at, they will teach you methods that can be used to accomplish a large number of effects.


Many magicians then take these methods, and use them to create their own effects. Not every effect you see a magician perform is simply something he is reading word for word out of an instruction booklet. Perhaps as you learn more about these methods, you will find ways that you too can pull off similar effects, developing your own effects.


The best of luck,


-Ben

Bit rich coming from you Ben!



Honestly, Eshly has his views and they won't be changed. Let him do his thing, forget it now. We've all tried.

Yes, I knew someone would have a laugh at me responding that way.

Eshly wrote:I think people think I am saying 13 steps is bad, its not.

I feel like a Christian trying to find truth in the bible, but cannot because he is scientist. (I.e I know its in the book somewhere... its just I cannot see it)

dont worry mate, you keep going. a lot of ppls here seem to just be mean.

feel your dream and live it how you want to!

and yes, you can buy the effect