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Postby IAIN » May 6th, '10, 11:02



I find barnum statements weak personally and far too horoscope like and vague...personal choice, obviously.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » May 6th, '10, 11:07

Well I quite like them so Image

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Postby Eshly » May 6th, '10, 11:32

Lady of Mystery wrote:Well I quite like them so Image


Yeh, but to be fair Lady of Mystery you do believe in horoscopes. Or you atleast believe -correct me if I am wrong- that they have the possability of being correct.
This means that they are more likely to impress you than someone more sceptical.

I'd prefer to do a confabulation routine or some proper trick with a bit of paper... I dunno. I think the alternative would be to tell them that it is cold reading directly, and say that is how I 'predicted' their actions.

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Postby daleshrimpton » May 6th, '10, 11:35

why would you do a confabulation routine, that involves work, and iffy wallet handling.... when you can have exactly the same results doing between the lines.. that doesnt?

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Postby Thaumaturge » May 6th, '10, 11:41

Well if you won't do a bit of cold reading, or something like 'between the lines', then as my final suggestion, what about John Cesta's Ultimate Positive/Negative. You reveal, then perform +-, then hand them the wallet and ask them to take out the envelope. You reveal.

But really, if you think about it, why on earth would you be wanting them routing around in your wallet anyway.

You perform the effect and show one prediction. You make them name a card, you pull out the wallet and show the result. There shouldn't be a need to then demonstrate further that there is nothing else in there.

It just doesn't factor into anything I do when using my wallet. If I use my magnum for a DD etc then the handling of the everyday object should be enough to assuage any suspicions.

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Postby Eshly » May 6th, '10, 11:54

I think the best ideas so far are either between the lines or a barnum statement with an explanation of what happened.

Whats the effect of ultimate posative/negative? I've never seen it performed :)



Thanks for all you're help so far guys, its very useful :D

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Postby daleshrimpton » May 6th, '10, 11:59

nooooo dont explain. Why explain? If you explain this, they are going to want you to explain the effect before..

if you must do something have cards printed with the Barnum statemen on one side, and a brief explanation of it, and your contact details on the other. As an interesting buiseness card.

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Postby Ted » May 6th, '10, 12:19

Thaumaturge wrote:But really, if you think about it, why on earth would you be wanting them routing around in your wallet anyway.


Well exactly. One of the great things about wallets is that they are off-limits to everyone. If you sit at a table with a group of people, it's taboo for anyone but you to touch such a personal and valuable item. Hand it around and you're saying, "look at this magic wallet. It's not my real one." You're issuing a challenge, which is not the way forward with pretty much any style of magic.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » May 6th, '10, 12:30

I totally agree with the guys above, it doesn't really make sense to let someone go through your wallet. Besides, if the effect's presented properly from the start, the idea that there could be more than one card in there shouldn't enter their heads.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » May 6th, '10, 12:31

oh and don't explain things, just leave them to wonder and come up with their own theories.

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Postby Eshly » May 6th, '10, 12:34

Well for the sake of not having to buy a second wallet, and pocket room, I may agree with you. But do you have any suggestions for sublties that suggest there is only one card in the wallet? I hate the line "I have just one card, one wallet" or anything like that.

I can't let them take out the envelope sadly. Though I'm hoping the apperance of my driving licence, money etc will make them think its a normal wallet.

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Postby Ted » May 6th, '10, 12:37

Eshly wrote:I may agree with you.


That's awfully big of you.

Eshly wrote:But do you have any suggestions for sublties that suggest there is only one card in the wallet? I hate the line "I have just one card, one wallet" or anything like that.


Yes, simply don't say "I have just one card."

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Postby Lady of Mystery » May 6th, '10, 12:44

Don't worry about it Eshly, don't make too much of a point of having 'just one card', you just imply it. The spec knows that there's no way you could hiden 52 cards in a wallet anyway.

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Postby daleshrimpton » May 6th, '10, 12:59

if you remove your foot from a shoe, the assumption is, the shoe is empty. Unless you tell them otherwise.
so, if you unzip a compartment in a wallet, and remove something, then put teh wallet down, or away.. they will assume exactly the same thing.



I have taken something out, and i am done with it.

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Postby Jean » May 6th, '10, 16:57

Why dont you start by looking through your deck putting one card into an envelope and into your wallet then you can either get out a second deck if you have one or have them choose the same colour and number (i.e a black seven).

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