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Oh, on a very similar note, does anyone know of a method for doing an eight-ring linking rings routine, with completely ungimmicked rings?

The rings must be carefully examined before, during and after each and every phase of the routine.

And if I can use the audience's own 12inch stainless steel bangles, so much the better.

I also want to perform The Magic Colouring Book with a borrowed colouring book!

Anyone?

Pete

bmat wrote:But alas, mayhaps you may have heard, invisible decks are old school, (or whatever Eshly's excuse will be) and so the deck sits

Not old school. It just doesn't work on children otherwise they find out how it works

I'm sorry Eshly. I jest, I jest!

i'd like to write a prediction with my own pen, but with borrowed ink, the ink needs to be examinable...

If anyone could tell me how to do the zig zag lady with a borrowed cabinet that would be ace

You lot!

I want to do the vanishing the elephant trick with a borrowed donkey named Bruce and he must have a birth certificate saying his name is Bruce signed by the queen she must be there too to confirm it.

I am glad he don't do the gambling stuff I do. I want a see through set of shells so they can actually see the pea under it, 3 card monte would be difficult for him he would have to prove where it was and wasn't before he showed where it is.

Markdini wrote:You lot!

I want to do the vanishing the elephant trick with a borrowed donkey named Bruce and he must have a birth certificate saying his name is Bruce signed by the queen she must be there too to confirm it.

Damn, mines called Phillip.

The audience just wouldn't believe that.......

Stop being idiotic. Here's a simple experiment for you to do:

Get yourself Mind Mysteries 1 and An Evening of Wonders on DVD.

Show them both to several of your friends.

An Evening of Wonders Q&A never fails to amaze and so far no one has even come close to figuring out the method.

I have shown Richard Osterlind performing Thoughtscan to 6 of my friends and 5 of them guessed the method when asked "How on earth could that be possible?"


There is a reason envelopes were used by derren. His method is perfect, but sadly requires an intermission.

Also Bmat, I want to point out that this is not for delay purposes. This q&a won't happen for ages, but I have already started going round Newcastle trying to get restaurant work.

Yes Iain, I do have a method, but it's where all the cards are in the same envelope, not individual envelopes.

Also, when someone asks for advce on GIMMICKED ENVELOPES then please respond with an answer to the question.

Think how much more productive this thread would have been if I had posted under
another username? We would not have gone onto this rant.

Now can people PLEASE just reply if they have any knowledge on how to read the information inside a sealed envelope.

wait, you said derren used envelopes.. well, so did Richard.. What's the problem?

1. Derren used individual SEALED envelopes for each card.
2. Richard actually touches the cards and puts them in the envelope himself.


There's a world of difference.

Eshly wrote:Stop being idiotic. Here's a simple experiment for you to do:

Get yourself Mind Mysteries 1 and An Evening of Wonders on DVD.

Show them both to several of your friends.

Mind Mysteries was shot for mentalists, with specific intent on instruction, with the hope that in turn, the Mage would then create his routine etc. and deliver a presentation and a wonderful end result.

An Evening of Wonders was an end result.

See the difference?

I'm very tired, wired on coffee and just a little grumpy today, so I'm sorry, but that last post really annoyed me. You have always been 'hot' on exposure, even to the point of telling Amira to password his site, and yet you show instructional DVD's to friends?!

You're a moron.

Check out Osterlind's Very Modern Mindreader. It covers all your bases, but I suspect it still won't be enough for you.

Also, be aware that Derren has the benefit of a stage crew. If you're flying solo, you'll need to do a lot of your own dirty work. That's the biggest difference between what you see in his shows, and what people like Richard Osterlind present on instructional DVDs.

Also, please ask yourself why envelopes are necessary.

If you were really psychic, would the audience need to write anything down at all? And even if they did, would those thoughts need to be collected in? And if they are, you've already stepped so far away from pure, direct mindreading, that it's neither here nor there whether you use envelopes or not.

The challenge here, isn't one of finding the perfect gimmicked envelope. it's one of presenting your Q&A in a way that makes the materials and handling seem normal, natural and - as a result - invisible.

Do a Q&A and do it well. make it entertaining and your audience will leave happy.

Do it right and they won't remember what you used or how it was handled.

Pete

Eshly of all posters I think your actually helped the most. Short of scripting the whole thing for you there isn't much more to do. People have tried really hard to help you. I actually think that you get more helpful advice than any other poster. There have been a whole load of options mentioned, look into them. You might not like Osterlind's performance, but that doesn't mean the method is bad. I can't stand Max Maven's performances on video mind, but looking past the performance I can still see the effects are good and adapt them to myself.

You have been given a number of options to look into for doing an ungimmicked performance, but you probably won't like those either. As has been said if it is being done on stage the envelope won't be coming under much scrutiny, so it really doesn't matter. The more important side is whether you actually have anything interesting in the presentation.