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new webcam - old trick

Postby Tommy Magic » Nov 2nd, '10, 01:44



New webcam arrived today - which I think is actually pretty damn useful for showing up ones weak points when performing a trick :oops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFj5_A2AfoQ

Erdnase would be turning in his grave me thinks!

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Postby jim ferguson » Nov 2nd, '10, 21:19

Dont be so hard on yourself :) with a little tweaking and smoothing out it'll look fine. Effects like this tend to play alot better in the real world with the use of patter and misdirection, as opposed to a camera.
    You have a tendency to overprove the condition of the deck, and also of the odd card at the end. The shuffle through at the start is convincing enough, theres really no need to further flash the back. Also, instead of placing the box out of the picture why not keep it in shot, another little reminder of the colour of the deck. Regarding the erdnase change, ie the percieved palm. I feel this ruse (the pretend palm I mean) is better suited to a vanish than a change - for instance I use the idea to vanish a queen which is face up on top of the deck (Apex Aces with queens). For a vanish it makes sense, the spectator could concievably think you had palmed the card. However in the context of a colour change, and in particular a full deck change as in your routine, theres no real reason for them to suspect a palm. In this case Id simply wave my hand over the deck for the change.
Sorry for my rather long ramble :)
    Anyway I like what you're doing, thanks for posting :)
jim

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Postby Lee Smith » Nov 2nd, '10, 22:55

jim ferguson wrote:Dont be so hard on yourself :) with a little tweaking and smoothing out it'll look fine. Effects like this tend to play alot better in the real world with the use of patter and misdirection, as opposed to a camera.
    You have a tendency to overprove the condition of the deck, and also of the odd card at the end. The shuffle through at the start is convincing enough, theres really no need to further flash the back. Also, instead of placing the box out of the picture why not keep it in shot, another little reminder of the colour of the deck. Regarding the erdnase change, ie the percieved palm. I feel this ruse (the pretend palm I mean) is better suited to a vanish than a change - for instance I use the idea to vanish a queen which is face up on top of the deck (Apex Aces with queens). For a vanish it makes sense, the spectator could concievably think you had palmed the card. However in the context of a colour change, and in particular a full deck change as in your routine, theres no real reason for them to suspect a palm. In this case Id simply wave my hand over the deck for the change.
Sorry for my rather long ramble :)
    Anyway I like what you're doing, thanks for posting :)
jim




Some good points here,

But all in all I thought it was pretty good. :D

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Postby Tommy Magic » Nov 3rd, '10, 10:01

jim ferguson wrote:Anyway I like what you're doing, thanks for posting :) [/list]jim


Hey Jim, thanks very much for the feedback. I agree with it all. I found it super weird to perform without doing the patter, but couldn't quite bring myself to talk to my computer as if it were a person - (even more weird!?) and the erdnase is usually a vanish too - not sure why I fake palmed that time!! Stage fright!
I agree about the extra turn after the shuffle. The way I turn the deck is really unnatural too, more likely to arouse suspicion than act as a further convincer, so note to self to not to do that anymore!
I was also surprised at how obvious the cull is at 1min 27 too. When I am performing this trick all eyes are on the blue card I supppose, but never-the-less an area for improvement. And then the multiple turning of the odd card before pocketing all the evidence at the end :roll: One turn is enough!
Wow - really appreciate your feedback though, thanks for taking the time :D :D :D

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Postby Tommy Magic » Nov 3rd, '10, 10:18

Thanks Lee - I'm really enjoying magic at the moment, putting in a lot of hours to polish up my routines, and add in some new stuff. So your positive feedback is much appreciated to spur me on...I have a pile of torn up cards on my desk from practising T&R (a new trick to me) which I hope to add in to a close up routine sometime soon (I new I would find a use for all the old signed cards I have collected over the years!!!)

I love performing, and I think doing this little video has made me realise how much I rely on the patter and natural misdirection of real participants. Really hard to do these tricks cold to a computer, but super useful in terms of seeing where there can be improvements on technique...
Thanks again :D

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Postby Lee Smith » Nov 3rd, '10, 10:39

It is always more difficult and less natural when performing to a camera.

A camera cannot be misdirected, and even if your performing to a live crowed whilst being filmed you will find the camera catches everything they miss!

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Postby Tommy Magic » Nov 3rd, '10, 11:48

Lee Smith wrote:It is always more difficult and less natural when performing to a camera.

A camera cannot be misdirected, and even if your performing to a live crowed whilst being filmed you will find the camera catches everything they miss!


It makes you realise just how good some magicians are - Michael Vincent's 'A Modern Piece of card Magic' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lHRWjVAf0s and Tommy Wonder's ACR / signed card to ring box http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrApPgoWZqE being good examples...

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Postby Lee Smith » Nov 3rd, '10, 14:31

True Pros! (legends)

When I filmed my first DVD set it really caught me off guard how different you have to perform

I was so used to mt standard repertoire but had to be thinking about the cameras the whole time. This changes everything.

Still great fun tho. :D

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