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Hey! I was wondering, for the people who have Banachek Psychokinetic Silverware(I think I spelled that right...) I like effects that are really easy to set up or do at moment's notice(maybe that's kinda lazy, but...), is this something that involves making a gimmick, or learning a technique? I hope that's not asking for too much, but I'm not exactly rich at the moment, so is this something that you think I would be interested in, or could you recommend something different for the type of effects that I like. If someone can help me, that would really be GREAT!!!

You can definately do this at a moments notice; somebody hands you a fork and you are ready for a full routine. However, it will take you time to learn how to do this. But if you haven't got much money thne this is probably better than buying something "instantaneous" of the same price, only to get bored with it in a few hours. It's something that you can work hard on for a while and then really impress people with. Also, it can be very easily adapted to be completely impromptu ie no set up at all. In fact it makes the overall far stronger if the forks are not your own. I'd strongly suggest this; it may not be a quick fix but it is definately worth it in the long run. Let us know how you get on.

Agreed! It is an excellent dvd and the best introduction to metal bending (IMO).
If I remember correctly - there are 6 phases to the routine - but each can stand on it's own. Some of it may require a bit of setup - but it is possible to do it with no setup - I do.

A very good videos packed with great tricks and useful info. I think it's been reviewed here as well.

Indeed it has. Click here.

Personally, I like Morgan's liquid metal better.

Why?

I have Liquid Metal but haven't yet got around to Banacheck's DVD but it's on my list to get. Whilst I get great reactions from Liquid Metal, from what I've read, if you are really into metal bending or fork sculpturing as I know Taneous prefers to call it , then I think that these two DVD titles may compliment each other.

I'd be interested to know why you think that one is bettere than the other?

dat8962 wrote:Why?

I have Liquid Metal but haven't yet got around to Banacheck's DVD but it's on my list to get. Whilst I get great reactions from Liquid Metal, from what I've read, if you are really into metal bending or fork sculpturing as I know Taneous prefers to call it , then I think that these two DVD titles may compliment each other.

I'd be interested to know why you think that one is bettere than the other?

Firstly, why does anyone want to do this stuff, aside from the fact that they saw Blaine, Angel or some other current Tv personality do it on Tv? At that, why do you want to do material everyone else is doing?

READ THIS FIRST: http://www.online-visions.com/krystal/0601bent.html

READ THIS NEXT: http://www.online-visions.com/krystal/0409kenton.html

The other thing to ask yourself is, why is there any question as to which source is going to have the better, more accurate insights... Banachek is the only "magician" to have fooled legit researchers via his techniques. He's been doing it about twenty years longer than most of these other "experts" that are out trying to cash in on the current cash-cow everyone is sucker enough to throw money at. That's not saying that some of these guys might not have some interesting "twists" to the approach (no pun intended) but let's get real honest and consider where the best place to start would be... someone that's been doing this for the past four or five years, or someone that was boggling the minds of researchers before you were born (well, at least you were very young...)?

Then there's the other point... that little confession of being lazy... Unfortunately all this work requires some sense of strength, dexterity, and discipline so if you are too lazy to apply yourself just forget it and move on. Magic, especially that which is presented in a solid and believable manner, is not for those that embrace the idea of taking half meassures; such types are the very reason why our craft is mocked and looked down upon by so many and I'd hope that your passion to learn and to be the best "magician" you can be, would inspire you to overcome such a slothful attitude and move forward in life.

Craig.

I first began learning about metal bending simply because it interested me and I wanted to know more about it. Whether others such as Blane, Angel etc. have done this is not a concern to me as I personally haven't seen any of them doing it. You are also making an assumption that I am delivering the routine 'parrot fashion' as taught on the DVD.

I've read the posts attached and despite who wrote them, this is one persons opinion who happens to have a great name and reputation. This doesn't automatically make him right. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are a great deal of people, not necessarily all magicians who are performing this, and other tricks in a very poor manner that does no-one's reputation any good.

I simply asked the question 'why' for the same reasons that I appear be be being challenged over myself. To find out if the comment was an informed one or not. I was honest in saying that I don't own both titles and I'm interested in other people's comparrisons and judgements. It's up to me to work out if I find the post credible or not and I won't listen to others who tell me how I should think because of their beliefs.

I accept that there are cash cows and people doing magic, mentalism etc. for the wrong reasons but it comes across from your post that because I have an interest in metal bending then I must surely be a poor magician.

We're here to entertain people, enjoy perfroming ourselves and to ensure that we do this responsibly without revealing secrets. If, in the right setting I chose to perform a fork bend then who is anyone to say that I don't have the right to do this, particularly if the audience are well entertained by it and walk away fascinated?

On the last point, I've never been lazy in my approach to anything that I've set out to achieve. I'm well aware of what is required to learn something to a high standard. It takes time and effort, discipline and commitment and I agree with your comment about taking half measures. That's not me!

I am passionate about being the best magician that I can be. For someone who is supposed to be a time served performer and has worked with people, how you can come to judge me as having a slothful attitude and in need of moving forward in life. Personally, I find this extremely insulting that you've made assumptions such as these when all that I have done is ask, out of interest why a person prefers one to the other!

dat8962 implications that you're a "poor" magician stem only from your own admission to being "lazy"... now there are a couple of ways of looking at this but given the quality of magic on the whole, I am prone to take the most typical image this kind of confession brings to mind. If the shoe don't fit, you don't have to wear it!

The articles I shared aren't just for your benefit, they are to help others that are jumping onto the whole mentalism is everything trend to give pause to their actions and ask why they are doing it. I find it interesting has few ever admit that it's because of Derren, Blaine, Angel or whomever else is and has been of the current curve in magic popularity and yet, they are doing (or striving to do) the exact same things these people do in their televised demonstrations... which, is much closet to the point expressed by Kenton, myself and a plethora of others.

Yes, you are correct, the articles reflect Kenton's opinion and point of view... an opinion and point of view shared by most of the top 20 or so performers and innovators allied with mentalism & magic on the whole... so, as the old saying goes "... nine out of 10 dentists can't be wrong..."

Yes, there are people like yourself who are naturally drawn to mentalism just as some are drawn to doing close-up over stage, etc. What many are slowly begining to realize however, is that mentalism is about ten times tougher to do and do right, than traditional magic. Those involved in mentalism tend to have a very thick skin and more than one reason for being a hint defensive and protective about this side of the craft (especially in today's exploitation and overly money/glory grabbing environment).

What I shared in the previous post was directed towards a much broader audience than just you alone so as the old Zen master's used to say "Apply that which is applicable and discard the rest..." :wink:

I understand what you're getting at Craig but where did I admit to being lazy? If you can point me towards this part of my post then I will read and perhaps understand where you're coming from.

Your response read as if it was directed at me and I feel that it made a number of incorrect assumptions. If I were to write something about your good self based on such a small amount of information then you may be a little peeved too.

I appreciate that the articles posted are not just for my benefit and I do agree that many want to perform tricks that they have seen the likes of Blaine, Angel etc. performing and for the same reasons that you state.

I also don't state anywhere that I'm naturally drawn towards mentalism, just that I had an interest in metal bending. Another assumption. In fact I totally agree with your comments about people thinking that mentalism is easy, only to find that it's ten times tougher than they imagined. If you look back to my history of posts, whilst I may have contributed to discussions that relate to, or have mentionned mentalism I've never claimed to be a mentalist.

I'm not being defensive, just asking for you and others to not make assumptions and if you want to know something about me then do as I did and just ask.

I understand what you're getting at Craig but where did I admit to being lazy?

I may have been thinking of this line when I was responding to your post or simply got them totaly mixed together for some reason.

I like effects that are really easy to set up or do at moment's notice(maybe that's kinda lazy, but...),

impromptucards

hey guys i am new to this forum and hope you all will guide me along..and ah..i have got the PK silverware and i think it is great..but is there any forks that anyone can recommand me to use ? coz i aam like kinda hard to find the right fork..either too hard ,or too soft...tks budd!

Hi and welcome to the forum. You may want to introduce yourself and let us know a bit more about you .

Most forks work just fine - but if you're in the UK - the forks you get at Tesco's work ok. They don't bend exactly how I like them to - but they're fine to start off with.

The only thing about this effect is that you're not going to be able to do it 'everywhere' at 'any time'. The reason being is that i was having a bite to eat in pizza express recentley and upon seeing their cutlery i was thinking I'm gonna have to eat more spinach if somebody asks me to 'melt' that! It's all well and good buying the suitable stuff, but if you build a local reputation doing this you're gonna be avoiding these places like the plague. No what i mean?

Dan