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I have tried some simple vanishes with coins on my friends. Even if they don't know how it's done they always seem to say, "It's in your other hand". This is embarrassing if I haven't yet slipped the coin in my pocket because all attention is on my hand with the coin. How should I react to this? Anything to say to them or do to wriggle my way out of this problem? I find it can ruin a good vanish that I have done.

I hope you can help.
Thanks,
Ludders

What about, rather than making the vanish the subject of the effect, introducing it as a surprise element in another trick. The element of surprise is extremely powerful if used well.

It's spectators logic that tells them than rather than a coin vanishing, if it disappears from one hand - it's probably in the other.

Perform the sleight, but don't reveal the vanish until you've ditched the coin somewhere. Then, when you show your hand empty, you can freely show the other hand to shut those annoying doubters up!

Ah yeah ok. If I keep them focused on one hand, they wont suspect anything with the other hand

This forum is brilliant!

Plus if you do have to show the empty hand before ditching, then don't give them enough time to think of the other hand, immediately claim the coin jumped to for example your pocket and use the dirty hand to pull the coin from the pocket. It's just about timing, if you give the spec too much time they are bound to suspect the dirty hand, don't give it to them.

Ludders wrote:I have tried some simple vanishes with coins on my friends. Even if they don't know how it's done they always seem to say, "It's in your other hand".

I don't know which simple vanishes you are using but, I think it's a combination of a lot of things....

Technique, misdirection and belief.....I am not saying that you are lacking in all of these but a conbination of any one, two or all three of them will make the effect you are doing fail...

Also if you constantly show your friends similar effects and they have caught you before, then maybe you are setting yourself up to fail as they may just say it's in your other hand anyway, meaning if you did some other vanish they would just say....Its in your other hand like a small kid would say, "It's up your sleeve".... whether it is on not.....they are only guessing but....if it is up your sleeve to your mind they have caught you.....when in reality they are only guessing.

I will break this down for you.....

Technique....if your technique is not practiced or as near perfect as you can make it then you will be caught and maybe more so by friends who have seen your effects before, so your technique has to be extra good to fool this type of audience.

Misdirection....You must use misdirection to achieve what you want to achieve in creating the effect and to make it appear magical.....if you forget this part you will get caught

Belief....You have to believe in what you are doing. When you place the coin in your hand but retain in the other hand, you have to believe that the coin has actually moved form one hand to the other, I mean really beleive it yourself.....

Actually place a coin from your right hand into your left (or other way round if that's how you do it).....feel the weight of the coin in the hand and rub the coin a little.....now false transfer the coin, copying the action, feel the weight of the imaginary coin, rub it a little then crumble the coin to nothing.....

If you have the coin in your othe hand in classic palm, open your jacket using your hands in a natural way to show that the coin is not inside your coat/jacket etc....now reach into your jacket or to some place like your elbow or leg etc and produce the coin at your fingertips saying I know it got stuck about here.

For Inspiration watch David Williamson do this with 4 or 5 full sized dollars classic palmed in his hand....I am sure there is a video or DVD out there of David Williamson doing this I have an old Video of him and he is just fantastic.

I hope this helps....!

Very good pointers jbmagic, I couldn't agree more.

Try using pointers as well. By this I mean body language (linked with belief) and pointing at the hand with a finger, your look, your posture etc... any angles form by your body lead the spectators eye in that direction, use it to your advantage and try not to contradict your movements.

Hope this is clear enough...

I find Jay Sankey's dvds help me alot, he really goes into detail about how to take attention away from the dirty hand... and he's soo funnys, I think in he's "no card tricks" video he does a neat signed coin to pocket routine

One simple vanish that I figured out that you could use until your friends cotton-on...

http://goodtricks.net/coin-magic-pouch.dwt

I do this fold using flash paper, let the coin drop then pass the folded paper to my other hand, whilst reaching for my lighter with the 'dirty' hand. I dump the coin, produce the lighter and light the flash paper.

One coin, vanished, in flames. If they're not expecting it, they'll probably require a change of underwear, especially if you ask them to stand close...

Simple, and I'm sure can be built around/used within a much bigger effect.

Mods, sorry if this is a little too much - edit as required. I figured that as I've known the fold since I was a wee lad it wouldn't matter too much...?

I like the idea of diposing the coin in the pocket when getting a lighter. That website is giving out some secrets it shouldn't. I have had to pay for some of those tricks and now people can find out the solutions for free

Still I like the idea of burning the coin away, I will try that. Thanks!

Ludders

I'm just a beginner but ...

Keep the clean hand closed (of course) and dip into your pocket with your dirty hand to pull out a brightly-coloured silk (while ditching the coin). Place the silk over the clean hand, move the hand a little underneath, then either pull the silk away and reveal the empty hand or take the silk away unsubtly before revealing the empty hand. Some will think you transferred the coin in the silk to your previously dirty hand but you can now reveal this (and the silk) as empty too. So those who thought they were following the coin and your trick are shown to have been wrong.

This method gives you a reason to go into your pocket and a bright misdirection tool (plus a slightly longer trick). The whole effect is ruined though if you have keys or other coins in the pocket and the spectator hears the clink of the dropped coin as you pull out the silk. I told you I was new

Oh, and it also is best with sleeves up, otherwise a silk that covers the hand and cuffs will give spectators too easy an explanation.

I just made a post on this a few minutes ago. I'll look for the link.

Here's my post. I would re-type it, but it was a little long.

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic9401.php

you'll have to scroll down to near the bottom of the 1st page.