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by **Ant** » Sep 25th, '11, 12:15

Tomo wrote: Given that you do want to be rich, and believe me you do deep down, how far would YOU go in exploiting such people?

And that my friends is the core question - At what point do the lies become more than just entertainment and become exploitation for self gain.

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:10

cc100 wrote:However, I don't really see what ethical problems there are with Uri. He's not pretending to communicate with dead spirits. He's just an entertainer.

I guess you are young and unaware of the last 40 years where Geller has lied and conned the public swearing he has powers and isn't a magician?

The low point for me was him saying he could help the FBI find missing children. That's really low.

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:12

themagicwand wrote:In your opinion. Not in mine. I believe that there is such a thing as intuition.

Why do you think science has been unable to find this 'intuition' thing?

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:29

Tomo wrote: Given that you do want to be rich, and believe me you do deep down, how far would YOU go in exploiting such people?

I'd prefer to be begging on the street than conning money out of vulnerable people by making them believe I have psychic powers.

by **daleshrimpton** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:33

questions..

would the people who are against the way Uri goes about publicising himself, share their opinions on Kreskin, and Banacheck. Both of whom have in the past been subjected to testing and have been the real deal.

In fact Kreskin, still passes himself off as the real deal in a number of cases, although he also freely admits that he started off as a magician, and every now and again will perform a bit of card magic.

yet Uri, who has in many ways re-invented mentalism, and forced it to rise to the state it is today ,gets a bashing every time he makes a TV apperance.

by **daleshrimpton** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:37

Dye Vernon wrote:
themagicwand wrote:In your opinion. Not in mine. I believe that there is such a thing as intuition.

Why do you think science has been unable to find this 'intuition' thing?

That is simple.
In order to find something, you need to be able to compare it with somebody who doesnt have it. Intuition, or what ever you wish to call it, is geneticaly coded into everybodys brains, and therefore, you have nobody to compare with.. and so.. you can't detect it.

by **CArlight1958** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:50

I watched the series some time ago. "I'm a celebrity get me out of here"

Uri was mentally sending Michael Jackson happy birthday wishes.

Ant commented that it wasn't Jacko's birthday until the day after tomorrow....

Made me laugh, but kinda sums the man up.

CArl...

by **themagicwand** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:52

I don't believe that science could find "love" either. But we're getting nowhere, are we? Being the gentleman that I am, I acquiesce to other's superior knowledge and will leave this thread alone henceforth.

by **daleshrimpton** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:56

me to, though i should point out that my first post in this thread proves that my intuitions are correct, and that this did indeed turn into a uri bashing thread.

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:57

themagicwand wrote:I don't believe that science could find "love" either.

Science has understood all about love for some time.

"Stage 1: Lust

Lust is driven by the sex hormones testosterone and oestrogen. Testosterone is not confined only to men. It has also been shown to play a major role in the sex drive of women. These hormones as Helen Fisher says "get you out looking for anything".

Stage 2: Attraction

This is the truly love-struck phase. When people fall in love they can think of nothing else. They might even lose their appetite and need less sleep, preferring to spend hours at a time daydreaming about their new lover.

In the attraction stage, a group of neuro-transmitters called 'monoamines' play an important role:

Dopamine - Also activated by cocaine and nicotine.
Norepinephrine - Otherwise known as adrenalin. Starts us sweating and gets the heart racing.
Serotonin - One of love's most important chemicals and one that may actually send us temporarily insane.
Discover which type of partner you're attracted to by taking our face perception test.

Stage 3: Attachment

This is what takes over after the attraction stage, if a relationship is going to last. People couldn't possibly stay in the attraction stage forever, otherwise they'd never get any work done!

Attachment is a longer lasting commitment and is the bond that keeps couples together when they go on to have children. Important in this stage are two hormones released by the nervous system, which are thought to play a role in social attachments:

Oxytocin - This is released by the hypothalamus gland during child birth and also helps the breast express milk. It helps cement the strong bond between mother and child. It is also released by both sexes during orgasm and it is thought that it promotes bonding when adults are intimate. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes
Vasopressin - Another important chemical in the long-term commitment stage. It is an important controller of the kidney and its role in long-term relationships was discovered when scientists looked at the prairie vole
Find out how the three stages can feel even stronger for teenagers in love, experiencing first love and first sex.
"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/" target="_blank

HTH

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 12:59

daleshrimpton wrote:me to, though i should point out that my first post in this thread proves that my intuitions are correct, and that this did indeed turn into a uri bashing thread.

That's about as impressive as his spoon bending!!

by **Dye Vernon** » Sep 26th, '11, 13:01

daleshrimpton wrote:questions..

would the people who are against the way Uri goes about publicising himself, share their opinions on Kreskin, and Banacheck. Both of whom have in the past been subjected to testing and have been the real deal.

I thought he was recruited by Randi to be tested as a psychic for that project he did when after all the scientists said he was real he said "no I';m a magician and you are all idiots" or words to that effect.

Am I misremembering?

by **themagicwand** » Sep 26th, '11, 13:07

I said I wouldn't, but just a parting shot then I'm outta here:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... .html#more

by **Lawrence** » Sep 26th, '11, 13:07

Dye Vernon wrote:
themagicwand wrote:I don't believe that science could find "love" either.

Science has understood all about love for some time.

"Stage 1: Lust

Lust is driven by the sex hormones testosterone and oestrogen. Testosterone is not confined only to men. It has also been shown to play a major role in the sex drive of women. These hormones as Helen Fisher says "get you out looking for anything".

Stage 2: Attraction

This is the truly love-struck phase. When people fall in love they can think of nothing else. They might even lose their appetite and need less sleep, preferring to spend hours at a time daydreaming about their new lover.

In the attraction stage, a group of neuro-transmitters called 'monoamines' play an important role:

Dopamine - Also activated by cocaine and nicotine.
Norepinephrine - Otherwise known as adrenalin. Starts us sweating and gets the heart racing.
Serotonin - One of love's most important chemicals and one that may actually send us temporarily insane.
Discover which type of partner you're attracted to by taking our face perception test.

Stage 3: Attachment

This is what takes over after the attraction stage, if a relationship is going to last. People couldn't possibly stay in the attraction stage forever, otherwise they'd never get any work done!

Attachment is a longer lasting commitment and is the bond that keeps couples together when they go on to have children. Important in this stage are two hormones released by the nervous system, which are thought to play a role in social attachments:

Oxytocin - This is released by the hypothalamus gland during child birth and also helps the breast express milk. It helps cement the strong bond between mother and child. It is also released by both sexes during orgasm and it is thought that it promotes bonding when adults are intimate. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes
Vasopressin - Another important chemical in the long-term commitment stage. It is an important controller of the kidney and its role in long-term relationships was discovered when scientists looked at the prairie vole
Find out how the three stages can feel even stronger for teenagers in love, experiencing first love and first sex.
"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/love/" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

HTH

I suggest your stages are flawed in relation to the love for family members

by **themagicwand** » Sep 26th, '11, 13:09

Lawrence wrote:
I suggest your stages are flawed in relation to the love for family members

And a good curry.

EDUT: Christ! Now I really am leaving.

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