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Like a review whats the difficulty for that mate ?

Can't review something essentially unpublished! The principle is from a book but the named card thing has never been published as far as I know. The difficulty to do the flicking is pretty easy, the difficult bit is coaching them into doing it properly.

This sounds similar to a flicking routine that's mentioned in Card Fictions. I've not really been following propperly but would that help at all? If not then forget about it.

Thats fine mate i didn't mean for a proper review just the 1-5 difficulty like in a review lol. Cheers mate

The original version is found in Card Fictions, yup. I've modified it significantly but the underlying method to achieve the flick it the same.

Cheers guys

Thanks for all the replies, and I saw that someone mentioned a "think of a card routine", which if I think correctly is a routine where by the spectator thinks of a card and the magician reveals it to be that card. It just so happens that I have been looking around for a routine like that for the last couple of months and can't seem to find one, I think It will go very well with my mentalism/ card style.

Could anyone direct me to material for learning this?

Sorry if this needs to be in a new thread, I will make a seperate one if needs be.

Oh, and one more thing..."How" did they react? Screaming, shouting? I had my whole PE block up in a chourus of swearing just from a r force mind read and a pass...

Thanks for all the responses.

When it comes to think of a card plots, it's basically a case of where and how you sacrifice. Unless you attempt a psychological force, there is always a need to do something.

Example...great think a card routine I saw recently was a single card was placed on the table, a card was named, the card was flipped over and it was correct. Naturally I couldn't turn the card over myself, and there was a brief period between naming and revealing...

Many many versions, some with bigger problems than others. I personally love to the Blaine-esque force, ..you riffle the cards towards the spectator, they don't say stop or anything, they just try and see a single card as they fly by...you then name it.
Even though cards are physically used in the selection, it comes across as a thought of card plot.

hds02115 wrote:I knew someone would jump on that, I should have just not said anything. My opinion is what it is. I am a magician, and my view on performance and method have done nothing but supported me and put food on my table for a while so in my mind, the way I think of such things isn't wrong, I also know that it's not the single right way either but I suggest that you keep in mind everyones views are different.

I'm not going to debate this partly because it would be hijacking someone elses thread but also because I don't feel the need to. I know that there are people out there who think like you, but there are also people out there who think like me. This argument has happened before and regardless of what's said, you'll still go on doing things your way and I'll still carry on doing things my way. That's where I stand on this debate.

I used to go by your philosophy myself until I realised that the tricks I do with gimmicks made my reputation more so than the tricks I do without.I think it might be a case of swallowing your pride and giving the audience what they want.Having said that I totally understand your POV and still often feel unfulfilled doing self workers and getting amazing reactions when I feel I should be flashing my real sleight of hand.

I just want to challenge you a bit though by asking this.If you see 3 routines that are self working reputation makers(generalized term I know,but I'm using it for the sake of argument) that you know could secure gigs etc,would you use them or decide that they're not challenging enough?

I'm not trying to convince you anything,I'm just trying to understand your point of view more

Well I've felt this way about gimmicked decks for pretty much as long as I've had more than a beginners graps of magic. Now more than ever I see people talk about these decks who you can tell will now only seek out the easy stuff and forget anything that resembles difficulty despite the fact that it may well be an amazing piece of magic. This is just one issue I have which without going into examinable items and so on.

I'd like to point out that although I'm not a fan of these decks, this doesn't mean I am only into nuckle busting routines full of sleights, for those who've read my e-book, they'll know that I actually like to refine my magic down to a simple method still. So saying that I've not got anything against self working magic either. As for your question about getting work, well to be honest, it doesn't apply as I have established a reputation using my own effects and routines and so this is irrelivent. I suppose that if it came to it and it was that or go hungry then of course I'd do it, but personally it would feel like going from working your dream job to working at a factory putting heads on dolls if you catch me drift.

I like my magic because the way I perform it excites me and the reactions I get are great. Because of this the and the fact that I get repeat gigs and further business means that I'm not wrong, what ever anyone else thinks. I'm actually kind of getting annoyed that everytime I put my point out there about this type of thing purly as a opinion I come under fire as though I'm doing something wrong. Like I said, I've been doing this for a while, possibly longer than some here and so the fact that I'm still earning my keep from it it testiment to my views. I'm not trying to force people to think like me and I'm willing to debate about opinions, but it's a bit much to be ridiculed by others that maybe aren't even magician who do it for their jobs.

Anyway, I appologise to the person who's thread this is for my rant and to all those who still think I'm wrong, let's not lead this thread more astray than it need to go. I'm not going to respond to anything like this again on this thread so if people wish to discuss it, they can do so in a private message.

If I may, Anthony, I'd like to add to the opposition to excessive use of trick decks. My main issue with most magicians who use trick decks is the utter lack of art in it. Eric Mead recently pi**ed off many magicians by publicly calling hack magicians hacks. If you do magic that is unoriginal (e.g. tricks learned verbatim through books or DVDs) and present them the exact same way as every other magician (adding a cheesy line or two doesn't count) you are not an artist. And when people use trick decks, it's usually because they are sold as a "quick and easy" way to become the life of the party. Not. Art.

Granted, some trick decks allow for more creativity and artistic use than others; Mark Lewis and Andy Nyman use the svengali deck in a way that is creative and original. Nyman and Derren Brown have used silly trick decks like forcing decks or rough and smooth to devastatingly subtle effect. BUT, they are exceptions, not the rule. 99% of magicians who use trick decks use lame patter and go through one of several cookie-cutter ID presentations. The ID, as effective as it is, is veritably antithetical to art in magic. It's strong, it's impressive, and it amazes laypeople. But it isn't art. And I think that's what bugs some magicians about it and trick decks in general.

So it's not the method vs. presentation that is the issue. I doubt anyone will really argue that method sans good presentation is the way to go...

But back to the original question.

The ID has some very strong design qualities that make it very strong. It appears that the magician couldn't have possibly done anything, since the deck is virtually not handled. The fact that the choice is absolutely free emphasizes the impossibility. Most card tricks lack this hands-off quality that makes the ID so strong. Another quality of the ID is that it involves the spectator deeply. Their choice (or the choice of a stranger who is called on the phone) is the focus, not the magician. OOTW has these qualities as well, and it's one of the strongest card tricks magicians can do for laypeople.

Personally, I get strong reactions from my card to mouth. I adapted a version of card to mouth I saw Sonny Holliday do to make the conditions more impossible and impressive. It's very much a street trick, as it utilizes a favorite method of buskers (the hoof in mouth vanish). People come up to me after my show and rave about how impossible it is.

One final thing... Is there an ID type effect with the spectator handleing the cards? Or would this require a psycological force?

Thanks for everyones responses, this discussion has been really interesting

Lenoir wrote:Ask Ste Portfield and The Devil's Taylor...they've both seen me perform it!

How did you manage to get both of our names wrong in one line?

My response to the the two tricks: "That's beautiful, mate".

Ste Porterfield wrote:

Lenoir wrote:Ask Ste Portfield and The Devil's Taylor...they've both seen me perform it!

How did you manage to get both of our names wrong in one line?

My response to the the two tricks: "That's beautiful, mate".

Yeah sorry about that.