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Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby sammy_789 » Feb 12th, '12, 11:48



Hi guys and girls

what is the oridinal name of this effect in the video http://youtu.be/jqZtJLuXAvI, as i wanna read more up on it (please dont say c&b as im perhaps hoping it has a different name.) or whos the originater?

i also saw a youtube clip of a guy performing this version of c&b at covent garden, but i cant re-find it! anyone have any idea what i should type in?

thanks

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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby The4thCircle » Feb 12th, '12, 13:25

Honestly that looks like a combination of three different routines, cups and balls, glass through table and the wand thing looks like it's similar to recap.

It's what magic should be, an original combination of well performed techniques.

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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby IanKendall » Feb 12th, '12, 14:25

John's routine is his own - you won't find it anywhere.

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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby kartoffelngeist » Feb 12th, '12, 14:54

sammy_789 wrote:Hi guys and girls

what is the oridinal name of this effect in the video [...]


That's the thing, it's not an effect, it's a series of effects built in to a routine. As Ian says, it's John Carney's routine, so it won't be available. All of the effects he uses are fairly classic, but he's put in the effort to build them in to a routine, and a good one at that.

Shame about the angles...

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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby The4thCircle » Feb 12th, '12, 16:29

John Carney has published some routines. I have his book Carneycopia which has many things similarly clever to this. I'm not sure if it contains this exact routine because I'm only part way through it. I'm making the mistake of having too many books on the go at once...

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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby sleightlycrazy » Feb 12th, '12, 21:54

It has a lot of influence from busking material. The glass with paper for a cup came from Dai Vernon, the hat load came from the streets (Gazzo being most famous for it, but really it predates everyone alive), the cup&hat transposition is also one that may have started on the street. George Gilbert and Charlie Caper both independently came up with the same effect (different methods though).

Currently Reading "House of Mystery" (Abbott, Teller), Tarbell, Everything I can on busking
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Re: Ball and glass (a version of c&b) advice

Postby sammy_789 » Feb 13th, '12, 23:24

sleightlycrazy wrote:It has a lot of influence from busking material. The glass with paper for a cup came from Dai Vernon, the hat load came from the streets (Gazzo being most famous for it, but really it predates everyone alive), the cup&hat transposition is also one that may have started on the street. George Gilbert and Charlie Caper both independently came up with the same effect (different methods though).


ah ha thats the kinda answer i was after!

cos iv seen this routine before! and wondered if it is total johns

thanks for all your answers guys

yer im in total agreement it is what a routine should be a colaberation of many effects to create something new and beautiful.

thanks
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