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I dont need the raven anymore, not seful as I tohugh it would be, havent bough it and dont plan on it. I know how to do the REvolution Vanish becuase my friend told me, ace of kev, you need special clothes for it, not special but i dont wear things like that...

You don't need special clothes...any trousers with belt loops will work.

Kati

You don't need special clothes, I never said that. And if you watch the demo video for revouloution you will figure out how it works.

can someone help me im 12 years old and i started magic when i was 8. i dont no whether to get the raven as i dont no if there is an item as strong as the raven. should i just buy a strong item or the raven?

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Please use the Search function above as this topic has been discussed here many times - all the information you need is there somewhere.

An item and the Raven are different. The Raven is a special item used to vanish some types of coin. Items are used for PK effects mostly.

There's a difference!

Kati

can you tell if you can stop watches with the raven please

can you tell me if the bat and raven are the same. which is best. can you stop watches with the raven. if so where do you get the dvd or book or whatever to learn this method. please reply now as i am either getting the bat or raven tonight but i need help deciding. ive read the reviews on websites but that doesnt help.can you move coins across a table and flip over in peoples hands and stuff with the raven. please ansewer now. thanks

I asked for the Raven last Christmas, but my Mum got me the Universal Raven by mistake - what a load of rubbish. In the end though, I am glad, because it forced me to learn coin tricks the old fashioned way - sleight of hand.

As for Bobo, I think the language is too hard to understand, therefore I reccommend a video, like Jay Sankey's Revolutionary Coins or something. That is how I learnt most of my tricks.

My opinion is that the raven even though it's a gimmick, needs time and practice. There are some "things" that you definately have to iron out before using it. For all the trouble you might as well learn some things that make YOU a better magician gimmickless.