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dat8962 wrote:It always amazes me when people say that they can remember all of the moves to dozens of routines and tricks, and, remember all of the right sequencing, and they can't remember where 8 to 10 items are in their pockets.

Agreed. Its all about the effect and not the performance. I am surprised that I can find almost no source materials relating to routine construction, presentation and management.

i tried the David Blaine trick on two persons, i cant remember what its called when you change 2 red aces into 2 black kings......

when i did this one i said to the person what would you like to see happening to the 2 aces, they said change them to 2 kings fantastic this is what would've hapened anyway (this was whilst the cards where in their hands), i did the old magic gesture over their hands and told them to turn them over.... of course they were the 2 kings.. BINGO!!

it was a real shocker!!

so i suggest if anyone uses this trick, ask the spectator what they want to see happening to the 2 cards 9/10 they will say change it into 2 different cards which are the total opposite (red aces into black kings lol)


Jags

oh, dangerous, what if they say something else? Like turn the ace into an elephant.

like i said 9/10 will coperate, and after all thats where misdirection and leading the spectator into a trap comes into play

use you imagination and try it


Jags

sorry thats cooperate by the way


Jags

jagsmagic wrote:i tried the David Blaine trick on two persons...9/10 they will say change it into 2 different cards which are the total opposite.

You've tried this theory twice and you think that it will work 9/10 times? My maths isn't great but something doesn't add up here.

Yes this is great when it happens but what will you actually do if somebody says something else? And I'd like to hear the words you will use rather than saying you'll use "misdirection and leading a spectator into a trap". Those two things have nothing to do with the problem in hand.

have you tried doing this yet goldfish?

9/10 is a saying, rather then anything else.

i tried it, it worked so bobs your uncle.

why does there always need to be that "one" that always diagrees, it worked for me hence the reason why i told everyone else to use and try it

are they really gonna say turn it into an elephant- i really think not..

performer: here what card do you think is in the left side and the right side
spectator: diamond here and heart here
performer: can i suprise you if i say no the diamond is on that side and the heart on the other
spectator: no the diamond is on this side
performer: what would really suprise you?
spectator: turn them into an elephant (which i doubt they'll)
performer : how about this

ask them to turn the cards over

they turn them over and hey magic!!.

Dont forget its the end thing that counts

you can normally tell what the spectator will say

and of course if they say change the cards then fantastic, thats already done

dont forget im only passing over a little experience here, im not saying do it, im saying its worth a try


Jags

I buy my wife some expensive perfume for xmas, and then ask her what she really, really wants; "anything you want" I say. She says a new car, and on xmas morning is dissappointed. If I had kept my mouth shut, she would have been over the moon.

Jags, you described the positive case and not any of the potential outs when the response is not as you expected. If your suggesting ignoring the response of the audience member then this is probably not strong enough for me, but I can imagine a style of performance where this might fit.

Are you sure your not diluting the original effect? If not, then crack on, its your performance after all.

i'll say it again

i used this effect twice and it worked- so i aint gonna argue with that am I?

and i aint gonna argue the t**s cause i dont use it on a regular,

if you want to try it then do so. if not then dont bother

by the way good example for the gift joke but i dont think it spakled. its not what you buy for christmas its the thought that counts


Jags

Jags, dont take it personally. I thought we were just having a debate about routine structuring.

It would seem my analogy didnt hit the mark either.

I like that idea - it would need some testing but if people really did say that then it would make the trick much stronger.

The problem is of course that if they say something else then the effect will be reduces so you'd need to come up with a funny line to cover it...if you got a good one it wouldn't matter.

Kati

Half (and now we're into fractions ) of the problem is where do you test this and other theories if not in the field? (bye the way, did you know that 8 out of 6 people don't understand fractions?.)

It could work twice but fail on the next six attempts. If you're performing professionally (for a pay packet) then in my opinion the risk is not worth it.

How many times have we all come across that pain in the *rse spec who is hell bent on showing you up? I think that in this situation you're handing that person the opportunity on a plate and I think that there is every chance that he (it's usually a he) WILL ask for an elephant or at least something equally ludicrous.

If it works for you Jags then that's good but at the current rate I would at least advise to still be cautious.

dat8962 wrote:Half (and now we're into fractions ) of the problem is where do you test this and other theories if not in the field? (bye the way, did you know that 8 out of 6 people don't understand fractions?.)

Statistics are even worse. Most people have more than the average number of legs.

dat8962 wrote:How many times have we all come across that pain in the *rse spec who is hell bent on showing you up? I think that in this situation you're handing that person the opportunity on a plate and I think that there is every chance that he (it's usually a he) WILL ask for an elephant or at least something equally ludicrous.

If it works for you Jags then that's good but at the current rate I would at least advise to still be cautious.

I would suggest that you are being a bit harsh here and assuming that Jags can't judge his audience. Of course if you have that guy in you audience you wouldn't use the trick that way. That said, it is perhaps inadvisable to use this presentation in your first effect, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work a good proportion of the time and really wouldn't be that difficult to get out of and get an extra laugh (if you play it that way).

I would suggest that you are being a bit harsh here and assuming that Jags can't judge his audience.

Perhaps but no offence meant - just thinking and writing generally.

Okay, so let me change tack slightly by asking this.

To what extent can you improvise your performance?