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Critisism welcome sorry about the pathetic spin

That is awesome! I was wandering what that sleight was called and know i know

Cheers

Sankey referes to it as the Erdnase/Houdini colour change

Nice, but it can be smoother . If you're going to show your hand empty before hand you can use your little finger to push the card forward as you turn it over onto the face of the deck.

Also, its a nice touch to use the DL and then change the card, but there's no need for it. Just go straight into it. Personally, I use the ECC in my ambitious card routine, and then I do a DL from the top of the deck and then do the change to reveal the selected card. This nicely sets you up one ahead when you turn the double face down.

Also, with the spin you did, try using your fingers, rather than your wrist to provide the momentum.

Pitto wrote:Sankey referes to it as the Erdnase/Houdini colour change

That's because, apparently, Houdini came up with the move but Erdnase was the first to publish it. In Expert at The Card Table it is called "Transformation, Two Hands; First Method".

Yeah I know I messed up the spin thanks for the tips

I use it in my ACR Id only do the DL if I was doing the change on its own - which isn't often.

Personally, I just go into it from the face of the deck if I'm going to do it on its own. Personaly preferance I suppose .

By the way I went slowly on purpose I was trying to create a more melting effect. If that's what you mean by smootheness I'll just go quicker

Hey Pitto, take a look at Euans video. This is what your aiming for, or at least its what I'm aiming for.

Euan Binghams Erdnase

Thanks to Euans presentation I've been reworking my Erdnase over the past couple of weeks. Heres where I'm at so far pdjamez erdnase progress. I'm trying to get away from the shotgun movement and get as much of the finessed movement that Euan achieves. I realise I'm not there yet but its amazing the improvement you can get in such a short period of time. Euans video really helped me, hope it helps you too.

Wuick is not smooth. Natural is smooth. You don't want to do it too slowly or it can flash. You don't want to do it too quickly or it looks suss. You want to make it look naturally. Like it really did change.

The way you did it was just fine. But I wouldn't have shown the 6 of Diamonds or whatever random card you could have shown. Why would you show the 6D? That sort of question just pops into my head.

Again, naturally. When you do something, you want to have a reason for it. But sometimes, that reason is why ruins your magic.

I'm assuming you showed the 6D so that when you changed it to Ace of Clubs, it didn't look suss because it wasn't the 6D. But at the same time, it puts into my head, "6D... Does that mean he's going to do something funny."

But that's just me. Everything else was fine. It was smooth, well conducted.

PS. I can't even do that properly yet. So kudos to you.

Hey that looked hot to me! Would certainly fool any laymen...

Yeah Euans is what I'm aiming for I think I'm half way between the two (fast and Euans). Lay people think it looks cool but magician can see its a bit in the middle. I think mine just isn't as cool as his. When he's on the boards I'd be grateful if commented.

pdjamez I really like yours its brilliant it doesnt look as much like trying the same sort of thing so it looks good in its own right. The only thing I'd say is why not change two more different cards when filming for something like TM.

Thanks for the help

Pitto wrote:Yeah Euans is what I'm aiming for I think I'm half way between the two (fast and Euans). Lay people think it looks cool but magician can see its a bit in the middle. I think mine just isn't as cool as his. When he's on the boards I'd be grateful if commented.

pdjamez I really like yours its brilliant it doesnt look as much like trying the same sort of thing so it looks good in its own right. The only thing I'd say is why not change two more different cards when filming for something like TM.

Thanks for the help

Try PMing Euan, he has always been very helpful when I've asked him questions. Thanks for the tip on the different cards, I wasn't really thinking!

I'm not sure what you mean by doesnt look as much like trying the same sort of thing . Thanks for the compliment, long way to go but I'm getting there. Like I said I think the secret to the erdnase is to get away from the shotgun movement. Euans video put me on to this and his thoughts on this would be of interest.

I mean it is a sort of different style. It doesn't look like your trying to get the same effect as much as my video. Basically my video is me trying and failing and yours did not look that way.

Hi Pitto, I think your change looks ok..

No need to take the card off the deck at the start. It looks like you take it off the deck, place it back, take it off and place it back again.

On the change itself, you speed up just before you effect the change. It's like you're thinking to yourself 'ok, slow, slow, careful, here's it comes. NOW!'

Try keeping an even tempo throughout. If you learnt this from a Jay Sankey video (shame on you), do yourself a huge favour and pick up a copy of the 'expert at the card table'. You'll find the original write up in there. I get the feeling Sankey must have learnt this by simply looking at the pictures.

Euan