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hi there - i have some roughing fluid ready to spruce up my ID... i just wondered if anyone could give me an idea of how much i should use and if there are any useful tips for applying it?

ta!!

Roughing fluid: spray form...

Sparingly!!! Very fine spray, from about 12 inches. A 'dusting' works better than a soaking...

Also, don't be tempted to test the cards before they are VERY DRY.

Well ventilated area.

Keep the spray moving - lay the cards down with lots of space around and don't dwell in one place. Work from off-card (i.e. start on the paper) and do a light even stroke across the cards. If you get a nice big newspaper, lay it down somewhere without a breeze or muck in the air, and lay the cards down, quite close together with about a 2 card border all around. Let them dry for at least an hour.

You may notice that when dry, they stick TOO well. Just rub them lightly together to de-rough them a tad.

Try not to shake the can up whilst spraying either.

Also, use nice clean cards. Dirty or well-used cards will look grubby quickly.

AND finally, especially when re-roughing, NEVER EVER NEVER EVER (and I'll say it again) NEVER EVER try and 'paint' the card's surface - oh, no... as I said, just a 'dusting' is fine!

so just to clarify - is painting the cards surface ok sometimes? and just not always

seige wrote:Roughing fluid: spray form...

AND finally, especially when re-roughing, NEVER EVER NEVER EVER (and I'll say it again) NEVER EVER try and 'paint' the card's surface - oh, no... as I said, just a 'dusting' is fine!

Bananafish...

Thanks for pointing out my ambiguity...

What I meant to say was that you're not trying to cover the surface with fluid EVER. To re-juvinate tired decks, it's better to add just a little tiny dusting to wake up the roughing. Judgement and experience will tell you that cards being roughed from scratch need a tiny bit more.

I've noticed sometimes that commercially roughed decks can sometimes pick up lots of dirt, and be TOO STICKY sometimes. These, I think, have been over-roughed.

Generally, when I've roughed a fresh deck lightly, the 'friction-tack' is about perfect, but may not last as long. But for effects like the ID, I always find this 'lesser' tackiness much more appealing, as I used to find that it was sometimes difficult to easily separate the 'selection' from it's hiding place - which could sometimes be a real let-down.

awesome - many thanks!

try not to use red packs coz the colur bleeds too easily

Red coloured deck problems?

Hmmmm... there may be too much spray going on if you're lifting the ink off!!! Never had that happen with Bike decks... and I've done LOTS...

itz coz the red dye is looser (if you know what i mean) than the blue. most magic shops will tell you that

Dye?

I actually worked as a designer at a print studio for nine years, and I'd guarantee that these cards are printed with rubber-based oxidation ink. It dries on and becomes part of the card.

The cards are then coated to seal them, which adds a barrier against moisture and natural oils. Bicycle cards are pretty hard-wearing - and if you're managing to shift the ink from the cards, you're using far to much roughing fluid.

I believe that the thinners (alcohol and thinners are used to clean printing ink - it disolves the hardened compound) which may be in your roughing fluid are permeating the waxy coating on the card and diluting the ink... but seriously, there's really no need to be using as much as would be required to do that!

I only put a light dusting on!!!!!

I only put a light dusting on!!!!!

ah yes, but maybe you shouldn't have used a watering can?

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