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Struggling with an effect? Any tips (without giving too much away!) you'd like to share?

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Postby spike » Nov 16th, '05, 13:24



Try Alkazam, dvd page 32.
http://www.alakazam.co.uk

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Postby Mandrake » Nov 16th, '05, 13:29

There's a booklet called 'Lickety Split - the art of card splitting' which shows how to use normal cards and create special versions out of them but nothing on actually printing the cards. I'm sure there was a Review here some time ago so a bit of a Search might find it.

cards4magic.co.uk used to sell a kit to enable you to create specials via the laser printer at your local copy shop but I don't see it in their catalogue any more - they also used to do specials at about £3 per card but you'd need to ask them if they still do this sort of thing.

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Postby CardMaker » Nov 29th, '05, 12:02

I have uploaded some sample photos of my newest projects.
You might want to see them here:

http://www.magicbycardmaker.com/pageID_2825188.html

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Postby Mandrake » Nov 29th, '05, 12:23

Excellent work!

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Postby Demitri » Nov 29th, '05, 17:49

Fantastic work!

Again, I hate to be a spoil-sport, but I REALLY think you should contact USPC about these products.

I know it has been mentioned that merely purchasing the cards allows you to do whatever you want, but I think some people are misunderstanding US copyright/trademark law. You cannot alter or sell a trademarked product without the consent of the holder of the trademark.

Mandrake, I know you mentioned cards4magic doing the same thing. So, I went ahead and contacted them about selling my own gaff cards. They recommended that I should contact USPC regarding the use of their trademarks (they hold trademarks for the box design, back design, and the ace of spades). He also mentioned that USPC is VERY strict about their trademarks.

Also, the fact that the ace is actually considered a logo, it's also protected under copyright law, and any use by a company without permission is a violation.

Again, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I just think it's something you need to think about. In all likelihood nothing would come of this, but I thought you should bear it in mind if you plan to progress this business. My advice is to contact USPC and see how you obtain permission. It's possible that you don't even need to pay royalty or usage fees, you just need to inform them of what you're doing.

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Postby Mandrake » Nov 29th, '05, 17:58

Many thanks for all that Demitri, I think it's cleared up a large area of uncertainty for many of us.

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lets clear it up...

Postby goinggoinggone » Apr 29th, '06, 22:50

Demitri, I cant understand the bee in your bonnet about Cardmaker! You keep saying "he should be aware of this", Why? Are you policing the net on behalf of Bicycle cards! Anyway, lets get back to the point in question.

Cardmaker is doing nothing more than all the hundreds (if not thousands) of inventors of packet effects that use bicycle cards! Many effects use custom printed (usually by the magic dealer or the inventor) bicycle stock for their effects.
Think about it... If you decided, as a magician to invent a simple effect that required a couple of fake faces, so you get out your felt tip and make a few alterations to the faces, or use blank faced cards and print a picture of a top hat or something on the face.
You then sell that packet trick.. the money is for the secret and the hard work on the fakes and NOT for the fancy back design copyrighted to USPC!

same subject but different product... many dealers sell dinner plates and famous named coffee mugs but offer to customers to print their names on the mugs or fav footy team on the plates... does this mean that they are doing so illegally because the plates have a copyrighted pattern on them!!!!

How can i be sure he's doing nothing wrong.. well, i can't in this instance but i do know plenty about the law here as I currently work for the UK FACT (federation against copyright theft), we monitor DVD, Movie, Video and other copyright protected items, and speaking to my colleagues they all agree with my line of thinking.

The bottom line... we're all magicians here, and Cardmaker is doing a great service for us, because if anyone has tried to make their own custom Bicycle fakes (even if you have the Versatile monte DVD or Card splitting DVD) you'll know its just too hard and fiddly!! I know ive tried it many times!

Keep up the good work Cardmaker!
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Postby IAIN » May 9th, '06, 13:09

http://www.card-press.com/

i was a good boy and searched first...

small number of prints too (50) rather than the usual 1000 or so...

just in case anyone was interested...

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Postby Stephen Ward » May 9th, '06, 13:15

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Re: lets clear it up...

Postby Demitri » May 9th, '06, 15:30

goinggoinggone wrote:Demitri, I cant understand the bee in your bonnet about Cardmaker! You keep saying "he should be aware of this", Why? Are you policing the net on behalf of Bicycle cards! Anyway, lets get back to the point in question.
First of all - you're rehashing a debate that was started many many months ago. As a result of being COMPLETELY detached from the original conversation, you haven't the slightest idea as to why I was making my points.

I wasn't trying to get cardmaker to stop printing cards, I was trying (as one designer to another) to help him cover himself should any problems come up. If you'd bothered to actually read what I typed, you might have caught the part about me contacting another manufacturer about creating my own gaff cards. Policing? No, just doing research and passing on my findings to another person doing the same thing.

Since you like kicking dead horses - do me a favor and go find the comment I made that even remotely sounds like I'm trying to get him to stop doing what he's doing. And when you're done with that, I'll be waiting to talk to you some more in a thread that wasn't ended in 2005.

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Postby dat8962 » May 25th, '06, 19:25

Ive just received my first order of custom cards from Cardmaker - some Black Tiger gaffs and with postage from Germany they worked out at a little over £2.00 each.

The gaffs are not available anywhere else and to buy ONE on normal Bike stock you have to buy the instructions too at around £5 each so I considered this a bargain if the quality is right.

Anyway, having received them today the quality is excellent and is indistinguishable between the gaff and the deck. I'm so pleased!

I placed the order on Sunday evening, paid via PayPal and they were on the hall floor this morning (Thursday) and they were packed extremely well.

I have no hesitation in recommending Cardmaker and I will be using the service again very soon.

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Postby CardMaker » Jul 31st, '06, 19:53

NEW sample photos online! Check them out!

http://www.magicbycardmaker.com/pageID_2825188.html

Have fun.

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Postby Mandrake » Jul 31st, '06, 21:11

Superb work as usual!

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Postby lozey » Aug 22nd, '06, 17:47

Has anyone tried this product? Id like to know if its any good

http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/acatalog/P ... ories.html

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