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Postby pdjamez » Jun 11th, '06, 12:42




I practise my spread cull in the following fashion. Take a well mixed deck and cull the Aces then the Kings individually.
Now cull the Queens, Jacks and Tens in pairs. Finally cull four cards at a time from the Nines to the Sixs. As you move
through the progression you'll find that the positions get more difficult, as the mixed cards get closer together. You should
find a full range of difficult positions. Once your finished this sequence, do an overhand, hindu and riffle shuffle sequence to remix the deck. Start from the beginning once again.


I have a number practise routines that I use, and I may post more in the future. Does anyone else have any practise techniques that they are willing to share with the world?

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Postby TylerD » Jun 11th, '06, 19:14

I can do the spread cull pretty much to perfection, but I never use it. I find there is so many better ways to get a card to the bottom or top, but it is useful in some tricks I guess.

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Postby pdjamez » Jun 11th, '06, 20:15

TylerD wrote:I can do the spread cull pretty much to perfection, but I never use it. I find there is so many better ways to get a card to the bottom or top, but it is useful in some tricks I guess.


Although less than relevant to the statement I made, I'm sure we'd all like to know your own preferred methods.

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Postby Pitto » Jun 11th, '06, 20:21

I have 3 decks of cards one in the living room one in my bedroom and one I carry around. When I was learning the pass I'd make sure every hour (at least) I did a technically perfect but slow pass between 5 and 10 times then for another 5 as quick as possible then I'd try to mix the two for 5 each aof the last 5 I'd try to be quicker each one.

I still do that just not every hour. A similar thing can be applied to most things.

I like your culling idea I'll try that and, also,, this thread is a pretty good idea :)

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Postby TylerD » Jun 11th, '06, 20:38

pdjamez wrote:
TylerD wrote:I can do the spread cull pretty much to perfection, but I never use it. I find there is so many better ways to get a card to the bottom or top, but it is useful in some tricks I guess.


Although less than relevant to the statement I made, I'm sure we'd all like to know your own preferred methods.

Ya sorry my bad I didnt read everything you type there. I got somewhat lazy. However I dont have a good method in using this. If I need a card at the bottom of the deck in a hurry in case im doing a sided steal change or something then I would use it. However I dont do many tricks involving it. Ive tried to come up with routines in using this but they arent very good. Your seems to be pretty good if you have it down and practiced alot :D

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Postby pdjamez » Jun 11th, '06, 20:51

Tyler, the various culls are for setting up decks, under the audiences nose. You could use them as a control, but it isn't often that they're used in this context. There are a number of of great culling techniques, but for my money the spread cull is the most natural.

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Postby Farlsborough » Jun 12th, '06, 00:32

Can anyone suggest any good books/DVDs on culling technique?

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Postby katrielalex » Jun 12th, '06, 12:02

pdjamez wrote:Tyler, the various culls are for setting up decks, under the audiences nose. You could use them as a control, but it isn't often that they're used in this context. There are a number of of great culling techniques, but for my money the spread cull is the most natural.


No?

I use the spread cull as a force quite a lot, and as well as that it is my current favourite control, simply because there is nothing to see. With a pass there needs to be misdirection or a little movement of the deck, shuffles need shuffles :) but a spread cull just looks like the card is replaced straight into the deck.

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Postby Pitto » Jun 12th, '06, 12:11

DEFEND THE PASS!

A good pass doesn't necessarily and with a cull there's a little movement though I agree I think it is a good control.

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Postby pdjamez » Jun 12th, '06, 12:48

katrielalex wrote:
pdjamez wrote:Tyler, the various culls are for setting up decks, under the audiences nose. You could use them as a control, but it isn't often that they're used in this context. There are a number of of great culling techniques, but for my money the spread cull is the most natural.


No?

I use the spread cull as a force quite a lot, and as well as that it is my current favourite control, simply because there is nothing to see. With a pass there needs to be misdirection or a little movement of the deck, shuffles need shuffles :) but a spread cull just looks like the card is replaced straight into the deck.

Kati


Kati, of course its horses for courses. The spread force is indeed outstanding, but like any handling where the procedure is a little unnatural, you have to use with caution. As for the control, as Pitto says passing isn't your only option. At the point where the card is returned you can use any number of controls, and is really a matter of personal style and handling. From my point of view, you grab a break, and work with that as it would seem almost rude not too. It has the advantage of providing a delay to the action so that I can remove any heat from the deck.

As for my statement regarding, but it isn't often that they're used in this context, which is the one that I think you take issue with; well I can only think of a few instances in the literature I have available to me where the spread cull is used as part of the effect and not only in the preparatory phase. If you find that it works for you, great, but I haven't found it to be in common usage. Perhaps this gives you an advantage!

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Postby pdjamez » Jun 12th, '06, 12:51

Farlsborough wrote:Can anyone suggest any good books/DVDs on culling technique?


Back to card college again. CC volume 1 gives the low down on the spread cull. CC volume 4 gives you the low down on the more cunning cull techniques.

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Postby Pitto » Jun 12th, '06, 13:04

Card magic : "can anyone suggest a...."

Card College most of the time is a pretty good answer!

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Postby ohminku » Jun 12th, '06, 13:50

If you are REALLY good with spread culling, you could set-up OOTW right under the spec's eyes :D - someday.. someday...

Also, unnaturalness of the spreadcull force- I usually avoid the "unnaturalness" by starting the maneuver while I talk to the spec and then ask them to point to a card so the cards are already a bit spread. I really think this is one of the fairest looking forces aside from the classic.

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Postby pdjamez » Jun 12th, '06, 13:57

ohminku wrote:If you are REALLY good with spread culling, you could set-up OOTW right under the spec's eyes :D - someday.. someday...

Also, unnaturalness of the spreadcull force- I usually avoid the "unnaturalness" by starting the maneuver while I talk to the spec and then ask them to point to a card so the cards are already a bit spread. I really think this is one of the fairest looking forces aside from the classic.


I find the unaturalness in the display, not in the setup. Although I do concede, that may just be me. As for setting up OOTW, thats a different cull entirely .. :twisted:

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Postby Farlsborough » Jun 12th, '06, 21:44

Ok, here's another question: anyone know where I can learn the Svengali overhand shuffle?! Don't say Card College... well, do, if it's true, but i'd be surprised...

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