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I think, in an odd way, that missing is a more memorable "event" than hitting. I've played through the win in my head, and it's fairly dull.

I think all of the shows are designed to be remembered, and misremembered. I think the contemporaneous experience of them is dull, but in years to come people will have quite different memories about them. I even suspect that people will have clear memories of seeing the Oxford Street lottery footage, the provenance of which relies on a single blog post and some photos taken in November.

i've not watched it yet...will do tomorrow on 4oD...

though i reckon some of you may have forgotten what mentalism should be about...

and its not a series of tricks you can go out and buy...

well...you know what i mean...

If I remember rightly, he was 'one out' at the end of the Casino Mind Control Special a few years ago

Mr_Grue wrote:I think, in an odd way, that missing is a more memorable "event" than hitting. I've played through the win in my head, and it's fairly dull.

Agreed. I think it was a bit good really. I haven't really enjoyed Derren's Events though i admire the chap for trying different things.

I dont really think the casino would have let him get away with winning, it's pretty obvious what he was up to would have got back to them, so being one away kind of proves he could do it if he wanted to.

Doesnt it?

I dont know, im tired out.

Ben wasnt out?
The curtains were open?
Derren knew he had £5000 in his account?
Security at the casino can find card counter devices in shoes, but not a camera in a sleeve

I think these are more baffling situations, and I think thats where the misdirection in this event is. It wasnt about the casino wheel after all.

themagicwand wrote:

nameless wrote:

themagicwand wrote: Spielberg's War of the Worlds.

Well, that certainly fits the description of 'disaster'

Oh, I like it! I think it's really jolly good! The only bit I didn't like was Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Oprah Winfrey's couch.

Have I gone far enough off topic yet or shall I keep going?

I agree that it's a badly maligned movie. On the whole, I thought it was a first-rate updating of the novel - when you accept the fact that they'd never play up the whole colonialism-is-bad subtext...

The scene where Cruise is forced to commit murder is brilliantly done.

My one colossal gripe about the movie is the super happy-clappy ending. If they'd just allowed some of the support characters to stay dead, it would all have been utterly tremendous.

And let's just ignore the fact that car engines don't work, watches have stopped, and yet people are still shooting footage on their camcorders... Move along... There's nothing to see....

And back to the core topic...

Yes, the miss was probably deliberate, but it played very badly.

I agree with Mr Grue that as-is, a direct hit would have been a bit dull, but the drama is all in the presentation. Derren could very easily spin a success into a big hootnanny if he wanted to.

As-is, it just fell very flat. And I'm not at all sure it'll do him any favours with the muggles.

A casino in mainland Europe where the croupiers speak in English?

Barry

Hmmmmmmm as I said before - all very 'Un-Derren'.....

There is no debating that the miss was deliberate. I'm sure by now even the slowest worked out it was all a trick in a fake casino otherwise the circumstances would have been impossible and illegal.
The purpose of the show seemed to be to prove that Derren's "abilities" are genuine and that even he will miss occassionally. It's a strong part of mentalism that the occassional miss will strengthen your performance. I can understand the thinking of having a miss as the final effect, it may cause some disapointment but could strengthen the previous hits. Unfortunately I don't think it worked. The whole set up was too blatantly fake from the guy who just happens to have £5000 in the bank which he can access in a few minutes through to the casino with no security.
It was all rather silly and I was expecting John Cleese to show up at any moment half way through dressed as a sergeant major poclaiming "silly, too silly, lets stop this now". (Monty Python reference for the younger readers).

pcwells wrote:

Blapsing_Beard wrote:

kolm wrote:I hope he uses the bus footage, he mentioned it on his blog last year so it'll be a shame if it never sees the light of day!

I found out the real reason it was left out of the televised version of the show, and if I am correct, it won't ever be shown, for certain reasons that I can't go into on a public forum.

But sadly, it is very highly doubtful that it will be shown to the public now

So it'll just become part of the surrounding word-of-mouth folklore surrounding the event? As others have mentioned - an Indian Rope Trick?

If the footage is ultimately buried, I suspect that might be the real reason.

Pete

The best bit about it all, is that Broadcast reported it last year. Now, if they managed to 'arrange' the largest tv trade mag to lie for them, that's pretty cool.

Oh god, did not ONE of you see Brown by the truck at the end with the giant cheque for 180,000?

Watch it again on 40d if you don't believe me.

heheheheheheh.

I think one of the reasons it felt 'flat' was that the guy Derren picked didn't really react that much to it all. He appeared slightly confused when he saw the video of Derren taking his money but during the actual casino bit, he didn't really seem all that phased by it and when he lost his money, he pretty much did nothing. The reaction of the lady during The System was so much better as you really got the feeling that she cared what the outcome was. With this guy, it really felt that he couldn't care less about losing the money. If the person involved in the Event doesn't seem to give a rats *rse about it, it's difficult as someone watching it on TV to care what the outcome was.

damianjennings wrote:Oh god, did not ONE of you see Brown by the truck at the end with the giant cheque for 180,000?

Yep, there were loads of cheeky liitle things to watch out for in that show. Including the predicted number on the first lorry, the phoney cheque, and the editing "mistakes" at the casino lol

brave and cheeky me thinks

The way Derren said "There you go" as the guy climbed into the lorry to me shows that he could see what was going on at all times, and he let a little one slip.

Was the squash ball landing in square 37 a cheeky little hint too?

I think the guy whose money it was looked rather stupid all the way through - what's with the ultra sweaty armpits, and not noticing himself on TV.

The whole thing seemed a little flat to me, and not very convincing at all.

I would have been more impressed had he stood in front of a roulette wheel in a tv studio and predicted the numbers time and time again to prove that he really had learned this new talent. Estimating the speed of 2 cars on a 50mph road with a policeman pointing a speed gun at them - not really that hard to do is it?

Last weeks show was brilliant - hugely entertaining - this week I felt robbed of an hour of my life.....