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Totally Mental wrote:Estimating the speed of 2 cars on a 50mph road with a policeman pointing a speed gun at them - not really that hard to do is it?

Sorry, you think he actually did that and it wasn't a trick?

Totally Mental wrote:I would have been more impressed had he stood in front of a roulette wheel in a tv studio and predicted the numbers time and time again to prove that he really had learned this new talent.

I agree. It seemed to lose its way after the squash court routine. There seemed to be no real central narrative after the trailers promised such a strong theme, and, dare I say it, outcome.

The event's to me felt really haphazard and were either a hit or a miss, Psychic Spy was definitely the best.
I was hoping that all the four events would eventually lead to some big event or at least connect to each other in some way and yet there was no theme... :/
I feel sort of let down...

I happened to look away for a moment and missed the entire casino (or should I say "casino") action. Looked up just about in time to see the credits rolling. So it all fell pretty flat in this house.

The "punter" who supposedly stumped up the 5 grand was utterly unconvincing. Staring straight into the camera that was "secretly" filming him through the window, for a start. Didn't sound at all surprised or shocked or nervous about being on TV. Also didn't act quite right during the hypnotic induction scene.

The loser in the £20 matchbox game was also obviously a plant. Surely no-one in the audience would believe any professional showman -- much less our own pussycat Derren -- would subject any audience member to such a stream of abuse?

I'm another one who's thinking the whole series was on the theme of misdirection, but the shows themselves were the misdirection. In this age of video recording and YouTubery, Derren knows full well that the programmes will be stepped through frame by frame and dissected in public forum. So they've been designed specifically with that in mind.

It's a risky move, because the majority of the audience are going to be casual viewers who watched the shows and walked away feeling disappointed. Is this perhaps what he meant when he said it would all be potentially career-damaging?

So... is he ever going to make an explanatory programme, or is he just going to leave it to us to find the answer for ourselves? Which would be the biggest joke of all.

it seems that the majority of people who are "in" on how some things work didnt really like the series - but everyone i know has enjoyed the shows...

i dunno...

i was hoping for a big pay off - but i was wrong...nevermind!

i agree with what was said, maybe the whole show(s) are about misdirection and indirectly suggesting "its all a trick" - on some level with all his little clues, perhaps derren and his team have gotten a bit sick of all the armchair experts pulling apart his shows and trying to reverse engineer his work...

so perhaps this was his "go on then...here's the clues"...

i dunno v2...

i enjoyed the entire series personally though...

£5000 is 5465 euros, not 5000.

damianjennings wrote:

Totally Mental wrote:Estimating the speed of 2 cars on a 50mph road with a policeman pointing a speed gun at them - not really that hard to do is it?

Sorry, you think he actually did that and it wasn't a trick?

Err...... No - that was my point

damianjennings wrote:The best bit about it all, is that Broadcast reported it last year. Now, if they managed to 'arrange' the largest tv trade mag to lie for them, that's pretty cool.

Broadcast reported the facts that they had at the time. If it was pulled at the very last minute then it gets pulled and the story is out of date. It happens. Broadcast, as with most other newspapers and magazines, do not lie and I'm sure the person who wrote that story would not appreciate the accusation

On a slightly more on-topic note, I can't say I was excited by the ending. It was a bit of an anti-climax really. Derren has certainly done much better than the events in his other live/stunt shows

kolm wrote:

damianjennings wrote:The best bit about it all, is that Broadcast reported it last year. Now, if they managed to 'arrange' the largest tv trade mag to lie for them, that's pretty cool.

Broadcast reported the facts that they had at the time. If it was pulled at the very last minute then it gets pulled and the story is out of date. It happens.

Broadcast reported LAST YEAR that he was filming something on a bus. That is what I was referring to. Bless you for trying though.

kolm wrote: Broadcast, as with most other newspapers and magazines, do not lie and I'm sure the person who wrote that story would not appreciate the accusation

Oh darling, no, no, no.

a) PR companies get trade rags to publish whatever stories they like. There is very little real "news" on a weekly basis in the world of B2B tv. Trust me. I worked on Televisual for 3 years, the monthly B2B tv title. They also run stories on the back of advertising deals. They arrange for ads to be next to puff pieces. All sorts. This also happens with Nationals. Look at what Max Clifford persuades idiot journos to run and then a few weeks later it all turns out to be a lie.

I am astounded you wrote "newspapers and magazines don't lie". Of course they do, all the time.

b) I couldn't care less about what the journo in question thinks. I doubt they care about what people on a magic forum think either.



Broadcast reported LAST YEAR that he was filming something on a bus. That is what I was referring to.
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I was very disappointed with the ending and that's why I liked it.

Everyone expects Mr Brown (Derren not Gordon) to be completely infallible so I think this will really help to cause a lot of discussion about The Events.

Also I think it is hard to watch it as people potentially "in the know" or at the very least with an idea of how or why something is done and appreciate the impact on those that are happy to just watch.

I watched the stuck to your seat thing with a friend, both stood up with no problems, looked at each other, shrugged and laughed, still days later he was asking whether there had been a reveal show saying how he had got the guy to give him his shoes. I barely remembered this part but for some reason it had really stuck with him, makes me wonder what parts we potentially overlook in our personal missions to "unravel" rather than enjoy.

The participant in the horse racing one was much better than the guy in the roulette thing though.

"Bless you for trying though."

Damian, I think you need to chill a little bit mate! There's been a couple of threads whereby your tone might be seen as being a little combative. I can assure you that no-one here is looking to pick a fight!

I don't think there's any doubt that Derren *did* film some stuff on the bus last year. The blog piece along with the pictures that acccompanied it - it's no wonder that a TV trade mag would comment on it. I think the discussion here is more along the lines of *why* it wasn't used.

And, just to add my 2c in on the 'giant cheque', I'm not sure that was DB holding it. Even on my HD TV, it looks more like John Thompson than Derren!

cheers,


Sean

Klangster1971 wrote:"Bless you for trying though."

Damian, I think you need to chill a little bit mate!

I am perfectly chilled thank you.

I just think it's really funny that someone thinks newspapers and magazines don't lie. Don't you?

So there was one blog post, one low res pic and one article in Broadcast.

Not exactly overwhelming proof something happened, is it?

I don't know if the footage exists or not. I don't care if it does. I enjoyed the show. What I *do* know is so far, the 'proof' of this footage existing is flimsy at best.

Well, it appears to me that the only people really concerned with the 'alleged' filming are members of the magic fraternity. The vast majority of the viewing public are blissfully unaware of it - it's only us who are saying "What about the bus footage?".

Now, I hold very sceptical views about what I read in any form of media, whether it's print/TV/Web/etc... I would imagine that it's perfectly possible for Objective Productions to persuade Broadcast magazine to publish something as a joke/prank/whatever. However, given that

a) The readership of Broadcast is mainly made up of broadcast professionals

b) There is only really a very small number of inidividuals who really give a toss about the purported bus ride down Oxford Street

It appears to me that the 'lie' being pepertrated would only affect a tiny, tiny minority - and for that reason I can't imagine Broadcast magazine being party to any sort of tomfoolery in this case - the payoff just wouldn't be worth it!

A more likely solution is that the magazine in question needed some extra inches of copy with a deadline looming and took the information as read from DB's blog.

Just to give my views on the matter - I am fairly sure there was a filming stint at the end of last year that involved DB, an open top bus and a group of children. Having seen the blog pictures, that seems fairly plausible. However, as to whether it was anything to do with the lottery prediction (or indeed any of the events), I don't know. Will we ever see the footage? Again, I have no idea..... although, if I can refer you back to my original point that only a very few people are even aware of the filming... does it really matter if it got pulled at the last moment?

Cheers,


Sean

Klangster1971 wrote:does it really matter if it got pulled at the last moment?

I can't help but feel it would've made the explanation stronger. I was probably expecting too much, but the series as a whole was very weak. Anything which makes the show that little bit stronger...

I agree..... I was expecting so much from that last show....

Still, I'm sure we'll forgive him!