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Postby Beardy » Jul 10th, '11, 14:24



lindz wrote:Personally I thought this show had set a really high standard of magic until last weeks show although I thought Piff was brilliant and from this week I liked Richards act but the rest of the acts for me have not lived upto previous standards. Bar the 2 I said earlier and Soma last week and Romany this week who I thought were interesting but missing a little something the rest of the acts in my opinion have been embarassingly poor. I also think Alan Rorrisons routine was good but his character didn't seem to go with the show. Over the last two weeks the show has just seemed to fall to bits for me poor magic, poor acts, inexperienced magicians, poor personality etc I could go on. Hopefully next weeks show will pick up again and reach previous standards I believe Michael Vincent is on again so at least we know we have one superb act already without watching I just hope the rest are up to it. I feel it's a shame because this show seemed to be hitting laymen in the right places which is good for magic. I have also had a few friends say to me the acts have been sub standard to the rest of the shows aswell also I have had magic friends who have said the same so it is not only me it is magicians and lay people have noticed this aswell.


I'm not denying the fact that some of the acts haven't been amazing from a magician perspective, but at the end of the day, it is the producers who decide the acts - not magicians.

My comments previously made were regarding the apparent slating of Richard's routine, where he apparently cannot win amongst magicians no matter what he does!

Klangster1971 wrote:(and whilst I'm thinking about the briefcase, did Richard not state at the beginning of the act that the prediction was in the briefcase? Or am I just misremembering it....?)


Misremembering it - he stated that he placed a bet on the outcome, which is where the case comes in. The prediction was on a betting slip.

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Postby jim ferguson » Jul 10th, '11, 14:38

Beardy wrote:My comments previously made were regarding the apparent slating of Richard's routine, where he apparently cannot win amongst magicians no matter what he does!
    Seems you are right there Chris. I agree with your previous post aswell, everytime there is a televised magic show it seems the performers get ripped apart on here, which is a shame. I also mentioned this on the recent Dynamo thread.
I thought Richard done well and wish him all the best in Vegas. I also dont understand the daft comment that it was ''essentially an object to impossible location routine'' - not from the audiences point of view it wasnt.
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Postby Beardy » Jul 10th, '11, 14:47

jim ferguson wrote:
Beardy wrote:My comments previously made were regarding the apparent slating of Richard's routine, where he apparently cannot win amongst magicians no matter what he does!
    Seems you are right there Chris. I agree with your previous post aswell, everytime there is a televised magic show it seems the performers get ripped apart on here, which is a shame. I also mentioned this on the recent Dynamo thread.
I thought Richard done well and wish him all the best in Vegas. I also dont understand the daft comment that it was ''essentially an object to impossible location routine'' - not from the audiences point of view it wasnt.
    jim


Indeed. My spider sense is tingling. I sense a lot of jealousy on this thread.

I at least went for it, albeit I failed. Richard went twice, which takes balls. Morgan and West went for it, twice. O'Brien went for it, twice. Hell, even a 15 year old kid went for it.

Those of you have no right to slate the performers unless you also have the gonads to go for it, in front of millions of people at home on a Saturday night and, apparently, risking other magicians slating you even when you do better than they ever could have done.

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Postby lindz » Jul 10th, '11, 15:21

Beardy wrote:
lindz wrote:Personally I thought this show had set a really high standard of magic until last weeks show although I thought Piff was brilliant and from this week I liked Richards act but the rest of the acts for me have not lived upto previous standards. Bar the 2 I said earlier and Soma last week and Romany this week who I thought were interesting but missing a little something the rest of the acts in my opinion have been embarassingly poor. I also think Alan Rorrisons routine was good but his character didn't seem to go with the show. Over the last two weeks the show has just seemed to fall to bits for me poor magic, poor acts, inexperienced magicians, poor personality etc I could go on. Hopefully next weeks show will pick up again and reach previous standards I believe Michael Vincent is on again so at least we know we have one superb act already without watching I just hope the rest are up to it. I feel it's a shame because this show seemed to be hitting laymen in the right places which is good for magic. I have also had a few friends say to me the acts have been sub standard to the rest of the shows aswell also I have had magic friends who have said the same so it is not only me it is magicians and lay people have noticed this aswell.


I'm not denying the fact that some of the acts haven't been amazing from a magician perspective, but at the end of the day, it is the producers who decide the acts - not magicians.

My comments previously made were regarding the apparent slating of Richard's routine, where he apparently cannot win amongst magicians no matter what he does!

Klangster1971 wrote:(and whilst I'm thinking about the briefcase, did Richard not state at the beginning of the act that the prediction was in the briefcase? Or am I just misremembering it....?)


Misremembering it - he stated that he placed a bet on the outcome, which is where the case comes in. The prediction was on a betting slip.



I agree it is not the magicians who choose the acts but the producers who do, I was just saying that the first 2 weeks and the pilot were all exceptional and all of a sudden the high standard seemed to drop.

I also cannot understand the slating of Richard his routine was excellent and very unique in my opinion it showed magic with a different slant very clever also Richard is a very nice bloke and speaks honestly. I for one hope he enjoys Vegas as he thorughally deserves it and to be completely blunt Richards act was 10 times better than any other one on that show last night in my opinion.

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Postby Klangster1971 » Jul 10th, '11, 15:27

Beardy wrote:Those of you have no right to slate the performers unless you also have the gonads to go for it,


I don't think anyone has been slating any of the performers (you'll see in my original post this morning that I "Loved the Bellars Confabulation routine"); folks here are just offering their opinions on the shows. The only comments I read about some of the acts dragging on too long originally came from an external review that was linked to on this thread.

Whilst it's natural for a group magicians to have opinions on methods, etc., I think you'd be mistaken to think that we have anything other the utmost respect for the performers.

Personally, I'm just glad to see magic on Prime Time TV again - for however long it lasts.

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Postby TheStoner » Jul 10th, '11, 16:07

The only negative I'm getting form the show is that it's at risk of setting up magic as a puzzle to be solved, rather than an experience to be enjoyed. And that's not good for any of us.

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Postby grant_m23 » Jul 10th, '11, 16:08

Beardy wrote:
lindz wrote:Personally I thought this show had set a really high standard of magic until last weeks show although I thought Piff was brilliant and from this week I liked Richards act but the rest of the acts for me have not lived upto previous standards. Bar the 2 I said earlier and Soma last week and Romany this week who I thought were interesting but missing a little something the rest of the acts in my opinion have been embarassingly poor. I also think Alan Rorrisons routine was good but his character didn't seem to go with the show. Over the last two weeks the show has just seemed to fall to bits for me poor magic, poor acts, inexperienced magicians, poor personality etc I could go on. Hopefully next weeks show will pick up again and reach previous standards I believe Michael Vincent is on again so at least we know we have one superb act already without watching I just hope the rest are up to it. I feel it's a shame because this show seemed to be hitting laymen in the right places which is good for magic. I have also had a few friends say to me the acts have been sub standard to the rest of the shows aswell also I have had magic friends who have said the same so it is not only me it is magicians and lay people have noticed this aswell.


I'm not denying the fact that some of the acts haven't been amazing from a magician perspective, but at the end of the day, it is the producers who decide the acts - not magicians.

My comments previously made were regarding the apparent slating of Richard's routine, where he apparently cannot win amongst magicians no matter what he does!

Klangster1971 wrote:(and whilst I'm thinking about the briefcase, did Richard not state at the beginning of the act that the prediction was in the briefcase? Or am I just misremembering it....?)


Misremembering it - he stated that he placed a bet on the outcome, which is where the case comes in. The prediction was on a betting slip.



Klangster1971, you're partially right... towards the end of the trick Richard re-framed the briefcase as a prediction (he asks Teller to "bring the prediction up to the table"). Intentional or not, this was messy.

Personally, didn't enjoy Richard's act - went on for an age, and I just can't connect with him. Looking forward to Michael Vincent next week, but I do have a slight issue with both these acts... why are they getting a second chance? Surely that's slightly unfair on those who applied for this series? I'm also getting rather skeptical with the Alakazam tie-ins (ie: is it opportune marketing, or direct product placement?).

Just wanted to add that it's amazing how TV and live perception can vary so much. After watching Alan Hudson's CD act last week, I was left very underwhelmed (both with effect and the general routine). I was however fortunate enough to see him live a couple of nights ago and thought he was absolutely brilliant! He did his balloon act, and I know there was a mess up with the pilot episode, which is a real shame since this routine was top class.

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Postby TheStoner » Jul 10th, '11, 16:11

Richard got messed about last time - good of them to give him a second chance. Not sure why MiCVin is on again - he's great but his last appearance was good enough surely? Why do this but bump James Brown?

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Postby JonWhite » Jul 10th, '11, 17:04

grant_m23 wrote:Just wanted to add that it's amazing how TV and live perception can vary so much. After watching Alan Hudson's CD act last week, I was left very underwhelmed (both with effect and the general routine). I was however fortunate enough to see him live a couple of nights ago and thought he was absolutely brilliant! He did his balloon act, and I know there was a mess up with the pilot episode, which is a real shame since this routine was top class.


Agreed. I was at the recording of the show where Alan performed and - whilst his CD effect was OK but not brilliant - as a performer he was much more entertaining than the somewhat shortened TV edit showed.

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Postby nu4aaa » Jul 10th, '11, 17:05

I think this show is very entertaining.

The trick with the glasses was cool.

Penn did a great job but his role was pretty obvious.

However, I still can't figure out how Teller put them on.

Bellars' second illusion was awesome.

There's no camera trickery ;)

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Postby jhmagic1 » Jul 10th, '11, 17:23

Watched this weeks ep with a group of laymen for the first time last night. Heres some of thier responses -

About Alan Rorrison -
"He's just sliding the coins along with his fingers".
During on the hands - "Oh actually thats quite good now".
After Penn said "Could you do it with out your jewelry", - "Oh its the ring!"

About Richard Bellars -
In the middle of the routine - " This isn't magic".
After shoe reveal - "He dropped it down his trousers".

About Romany - "That's not his jacket"

About Daniel Kramer - "He's like 15"

About Teller - "Does he never talk?"

So altogether a fascinating and somewhat frustrating night spent with my lay friends.

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Postby Grimshaw » Jul 10th, '11, 19:14

Beardy wrote:It seems to me that the only magic show that magicians will be happy with is the one that they are on!


Truer words may never have been cast into pixels.

Definitely in the case of Dynamo, a young chap takes a bunch of effects he didn't create and delivers them with little personality yet gets his own magic show and goes all over the world. Ouch. That's gotta hurt the seasoned performers out there. I think he's alright, bless him.

As for the show, by offering yourself up there you're offering yourself up for criticism. And this would be a pretty stale thread if we weren't allowed to comment (read: bitch) about the performances. However I believe posts such as the one above that relays comments made by laypeople should be a regular occurrence.

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Postby Jon Allen » Jul 10th, '11, 19:16

TheStoner wrote:Richard got messed about last time - good of them to give him a second chance. Not sure why MiCVin is on again - he's great but his last appearance was good enough surely? Why do this but bump James Brown?


I'm know the production company had a very good reason for not being able to show James... and David Jay. I'm still betting on someone else in particular not being on the show for the same reason.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Jul 10th, '11, 20:59

I'm with the amazing Beardo on this one. It's easy to sit and criticise from the comfort of your pc, but credit must be due for those that have been confident enough to put themselves forward to appear on the show with many appearing on tv for the first time in their careers.

It's the same in the way you get armchair magicians who perform down the pub for their mates and release every half baked idea they have criticsing people who perform regularly for the public and telling how to do what they don't.

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Postby russellmagic » Jul 10th, '11, 22:00

well said freddie!
You magic dudes are never happy are ya! If you don't like what you see then don't watch it. Go and learn your classic pass, perfect you doubles, polish yout TT's, instead of saying how c*** (not the best) someones act or magic is. The truth is that these guys are up there doing a good thing for magic, and all they get is flack for it!!!
I love fool us, and recently Dynamos tv show. They do a good thing for magic. I have people asking em about them all the time. The only ones bothered by it are magicians!!!!
It would be nice to see you guys have respect for fellow magicans once in a while! This is why I have stopped going to magic clubs and hanging out with certain magic mate, too much egos.
Sort it out fellas! :evil:

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