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krazy ace wrote:get that one guy to be a stooge and ask he to switch the rolls.

If he did use stooges then imagine how many people would go to the papers and stuff, he just couldn't do it long term. But I suppose that depends on what your definition of a stooge is.
And also 'that one guy' isn't just some random nobody from the public.

Vanessa Feltz used stooges and look what happened there!

JackWright wrote:

krazy ace wrote:get that one guy to be a stooge and ask he to switch the rolls.

If he did use stooges then imagine how many people would go to the papers and stuff, he just couldn't do it long term. But I suppose that depends on what your definition of a stooge is.
And also 'that one guy' isn't just some random nobody from the public.

This is right. Stooges just doesn't explain it. He would be exposed to so much risk and by now somebody would have been smart arsed enough to want to spill the beans. And one of our gloriously ethical tabloids would have been ready to pay big bucks to bring him down.

Its fun to try to deconstruct what he does but it is really fun to watch him do it. If you have read Tricks of the Mind you will know how he thinks about preventing spectators deconstructing, his misdirection is phenomenal

Lord Freddie wrote:Vanessa Feltz used stooges and look what happened there!

I think you mean she uses stodge

Well, I thought it was pants. What did they actually get into half an hour? I can't even remember. However, my copy of Inside Your Mind came and that was much much better, which is ironic, since it was his early stuff.

Lord Freddie wrote:Vanessa Feltz used stooges and look what happened there!

I think that was fudge. She ate a lot of fudge. a lot of fudge.

Interestingly enough, the Daily Mirror got wind of the Moroccan trip and followed them, trying to expose it as a hoax. The story they came back with was that it wasn't a hoax.

Given that it's impossible to keep someone safely unconscious for 13hrs, and the practical impossiblity of taking an unconscious man through airport security, onto a plane, and then through security again. Derren Brown did extremely well.

We all have an opinion on stage hypnotism and most of us know how it's done. This is no different. At the end of the day, the hypnotised spectator was simply a man in a wheelchair and plenty of men in wheelchairs travel on aeroplanes. For finer points of legal enquiry you'd have to ask the show's producers as Derren says "I wasn't really part of the discussions between producers and the security team." Throughout the flight, Derren was with the spectator, talking to him and "had a way of dealing with him" should there be any problems (presumably the urgent need to go to the toilet - look into my eyes, look into my eyes, when I snap my fingers you will suddenly be aware that you need to go to the toilet, you will get up... )

The effect was an example of stage hypnosis taken to the extreme. Theoretically brilliant if in actuality not a great audience-pleaser.

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It's being repeated tonight on E4 at 11pm for anyone who missed it and wants a look.

S. Lea wrote:Given that it's impossible to keep someone safely unconscious for 13hrs

I'm interested in the evidence you have to support that. Has a study ever been done? (I'm not trying to call you out; I'm legitimately interested in reading it).

I was going to argue that no one ever said that he was asleep for the entire journey, but after the third time I watched the segment, he did indeed say once that "he has been asleep for thirteen hours now."

Even so, I'd still say it was most likely hypnotic amnesia. Our memories our volitile and, through hypnosis, it's really a simple matter to just forget things. If you THINK you were asleep for thirteen hours, you effectively ARE asleep for thirteen hours, in your reality, anyway.

Ciao,
Rob

Don't you need injections to go to Morocco and that would have had to have been a while before travelling.

Misanthropy wrote:Don't you need injections to go to Morocco and that would have had to have been a while before travelling.

Nah. All he did was wake up and wander back to the airport.

How did he know where the airport was? He was a stooge!

I'm interested in the evidence you have to support that. Has a study ever been done? (I'm not trying to call you out; I'm legitimately interested in reading it).

Well, there is evidence I'm sure but I don't have a list of references

Normal sleep goes through cycles. In the deepest state of sleep it is very difficult to raise someone when they are in this cycle. In the other cycles, small disturbances will certainly wake someone up. In order for the subject to be asleep and not wake up he would need to be in deep sleep. He can not have been in this state for 13hrs. Basically, the guy couldn't have been asleep.

We can also rule out coma. People in comas don't look like they do in films, dramas. They can move and open their eyes, etc. It is a brain state. No-one 'wakes up' and starts asking where they are. No-one is suggesting he was in a coma, so we don't even need to consider it.

Keeping someone anesthetized is very dangerous and would require the constant attention of an anesthetist (who would refuse to do it). We can obviously rule this out.

The only thing left is hypnotism. The type of hypnotism needed to keep someone in the state the guy was in the programme... well Derren Brown has previously stated that it doesn't exist and I believe him.

We have all seen people hypnotised on stage. Graham Norton had some pretending to be dogs on a recent show. What Derren Brown did - and how he did it - is exactly the same as that. All stage hypnotist's need suitable subjects for stagework, all Derren Brown had to do was find someone who would be suitable for a long and extended version of the same kind of thing.

The Daily Mirror could follow them all they liked and not find anything that would prove it was fake. In the same way they couldn't do so in a regular stage hypnotist show.

Misanthropy wrote:How did he know where the airport was? He was a stooge!

Whatever you say, Baby.

Not that he woke up holding instructions, money, his passport and a ticket home or anything, or that they followed him to make sure he was okay.

S. Lea wrote:The only thing left is hypnotism.

*cough* The Esdale state *cough*