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It didn't matter in this story because all time and space had already collapsed.

The exploding tardis was keeping the earth stable, and so just this once he, and Amy could be in the same place twice.

Flash wrote:
Did anyone else like the clever use of suggestion; 'something borrowed, something new, something old, something blue.'

Yeah I loved that bit, but while the whole crossing his own timeline was a bit shoddy especially since it's been well established that you can't do that. The bit where the doctor was brought back by amy remembering him was the writers just giving up.
What happens next year, he defeats the darleks with the power of prayer?

'Amy just close your eyes and wish the darleks away.' 'NOOOOOO curse you doctor.'

But then last episodes of doctor who are usually pretty bad (unless the masters involved). It's always 'The world is going to end and it's impossible to stop, oh wait no it's not.'

daleshrimpton wrote:It didn't matter in this story because all time and space had already collapsed.

The exploding tardis was keeping the earth stable, and so just this once he, and Amy could be in the same place twice.

But the universe didn't collapse, it carroied on for at least another 2,000 years, they just had a universe where stars did not exist. Like going back in time and blowing up Hitler, we would just have a universe where he didn't exist, but things like gravity and air pressure still work the same way. Is starlight the thing that makes time travel dangerous?

I say no and the writers were simply being lazy. Poor showing if you ask me.

I enjoyed the episode but thought the plot lines put forward on this forum prior to its broadcast were far superior. The writer missed several open goals with regard to the crack in the universe and who or what Amy was. It didn't get very deep did it? The reason Amy lived on her own as a little girl in that creepy old house with "too many rooms" was because the universe was leaking in through the crack? There were so many (better) options available.

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:The bit where the doctor was brought back by amy remembering him was the writers just giving up.

And to that, I say... BULLPOOPY!

RTD would have fixed the universe with a big button daubed with the word 'reset'.

Most other sci-fi writers would have bought their way out with some meaningless technobabble in the hope that viewers would accept that what they've written actually means something and is really quite clever.

What Moffat came out with was unconventional, bold, provocative and - dare I say it - almost poetic. As a piece of writing it was a million leagues above the rest of the dross that we get on the telly. And in the context of science fiction, it touched on ideas of percieved reality that wouldn't even be considered by most 'jobbing' writers.

Personally, I think the whole concept could have been explored in even more depth, but have to accept that this is a family show for a broad audience and keeping it simple was the best plan.

As it was, I loved it. And got even more choked up the second time round.

So there!

Nyah!



Pete

Personally, I think the whole concept could have been explored in even more depth

But it is being explored in greater depth.. we are only half way through the story. Silence has yet to fall, and we have yet to find out who.. .its the Valyard is behind it all

daleshrimpton wrote:

Personally, I think the whole concept could have been explored in even more depth

But it is being explored in greater depth.. we are only half way through the story. Silence has yet to fall, and we have yet to find out who.. .its the Valyard is behind it all

Interesting...IMDB's cast list for the voice in the TARDIS made mention of... Omega ...someone else. Although that someone isn't considered a baddy.

Ian Collier is credited on imdb as the voice of Omega.

he died 2 years ago.

Ian Collier was better known to Doctor Who fans for his role as Omega (voice) from the 5th Doctor story, Arc of Infinity (1983), but his first role on the series goes back to the 3rd Doctor story, The Time Monster (1972) in which he played Stuart Hyde. In addition he also had been part of a few Big Finish productions, one of which he reprises his role of Omega in a self titled story. Collier passed away on 1 October. Age and cause of death have not been reported at this time.

I thought the last two episodes were some of the best Dr Who I'd seen. Couldn't care less about the screwdriver paradox or Amy remembering the Dr back into existence. If I want to worry about that sort of stuff I'll watch Primer, or Timecrimes.

Excellent plot, excellent dialogue, excellent acting (apart from Miss Gillan who I thought was the weakest). Loved the fact that things were left in the air. It made me want to go back and watch the series again.

I think Moffat, Smith, et al have produced something about which they can be genuinely proud, as much as one can be about producing a television programme. Can't wait for the next series.

Arkesus wrote:But the universe didn't collapse, it carroied on for at least another 2,000 years, they just had a universe where stars did not exist.

It's one of those "in the meantime 2000 years later" moments.

I've gotten used to it, strangely enough. Perhaps even begun to like them.

And I think it makes sense, that different rules apply when the universe is at the edge of non-existance. Everything was a lot different at 1*10^35 seconds after the Big Bang as well... sort of timey-wimey, curved space, wormhole... stuff.

I found Moffats solution amusing, but a little too paradoxical for my taste. But I feel I should withhold judgement until the next season.

Gary Dickson wrote:Excellent plot, excellent dialogue, excellent acting (apart from Miss Gillan who I thought was the weakest).

Surely not! Blasphemy sir! Did you not see her "something blue" line? Go watch bbc iplayer you naughty boy!

pcwells wrote:Personally, I think the whole concept could have been explored in even more depth, but have to accept that this is a family show for a broad audience and keeping it simple was the best plan.

The big problem was them cutting the runtime to something silly like 45 minutes. That's not enough for the final of Doctor Who!

There were too many things I wanted going into more depth

Does anyone else think the concept of a "time loop" is just completely ridiculous! It.just.doesn't.make.sense!

Lawrence wrote:Does anyone else think the concept of a "time loop" is just completely ridiculous! It.just.doesn't.make.sense!

Unfortunately, it seems that the universe doesn't actually preclude them; assuming that the theory of relativity is as good a model as it seems to be, "closed time-like curves" can be found in the mathematics. I doubt they would work in quite that way though.

Not to mention yet another look for a dalek so they can sell more toys.