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Don't overlook Harry Lorayne's "The Great Divide." It is one of the easiest and most deceptive ways of surreptitiously separating the colors while apparently just running through the pack.

Good thoughts,

Bob Cassidy

the stackman wrote:the roadrunner cull will take some considerable time to learn, and if the plan is to cull 26 cards, to get it looking in any way deceptive we are talking years.

also, the green and brown separation are the same thing. on TDPB he is describing green's angle separation.

OH! Heaven forbid that you have to spend time learning something. According to this a deck switch is the only way to go ... Not!

(What kind of attitude is this? Why not spend time and practice something new? Is this the impatient generation? Buy the DVD, view it once and go out table hopping!!! No, we are not talking “years”, a few weeks should be adequate.) [/rant]

Hi Gunnarkr, peace on Earth Brother

I'm going to order the road runner next month.

Today, I ordered Tomo's DVD and stripper deck to see how that works out for me and OOTW. I'm quite excited now

I saw they have the Laser deal booklet from Lennart Green at Cards for Magic, but no trace of the 1-2 Separation. (Which I take it is different from the Angle Separation?) If anyone has any leads on that, I'm curious ...

I'm really grateful for all your inputs Guys, thank you.

LP.

Le Petit Bateleur wrote:Today, I ordered Tomo's DVD and stripper deck to see how that works out for me and OOTW. I'm quite excited now

I was actually going to suggest you contact Tomo He probably knows more about this deck than anyone on here.

While the other ideas are good I think the str****r deck is the best option for this effect (in my opinion). If you think about it its the most streamlined invisible approach to seperating the colours. With culling there has to be a reason for your going through the deck as the action is visible. If you'd like to take this approach my best advice would be to have an effect that uses a few cards, say 10. That way you can set the deck while looking for the cards you need for the effect.

With the str****r deck however you dont appear to be doing anything apart from a shuffle and a cut or two, which to me looks far cleaner from the spectators perspective. If you get a decently cut deck, such as the new(ish) USPCC ones you can easily have them shuffled by the spectator if you wish, which, while far from necessary, can be a nice addition to this effect.

jim

I agree with Jim in that a S Deck would be a very clean way to get set up for Curry's card classic. Harry Lorayne's method for the separation should not be over looked as you will be able to do it very clean and impromptu!!

gunnarkr wrote:(What kind of attitude is this? Why not spend time and practice something new? Is this the impatient generation? Buy the DVD, view it once and go out table hopping!!! No, we are not talking “years”, a few weeks should be adequate.) [/rant][/size][/color]

Are you a mentalist sir? Because that's exactly what I wanted to write but didn't want to cause an argument or sound like a smarty pants for being able to execute a deceptive colour separation using the cull after 6 or 7 weeks practice. Obviously I took breaks in between...you know, to have a life and stuff.

Why not just switch-in a stacked (red/ black separated) deck?

There are many ways to do this, even in the context of the preceeding trick. My personal favourite is a partial deck-switch from the (jacket) pocket.

Derren Brown has a very nice OOTW handling, which he covers in detail on The Devil's Picturebook DVD. In addition to the separating issues, it is slightly more streamlined than the classic OOTW method.

Ted wrote:Derren Brown has a very nice OOTW handling, which he covers in detail on The Devil's Picturebook DVD. In addition to the separating issues, it is slightly more streamlined than the classic OOTW method.

The version I do is called Galaxy I think, by Paul Harris. I like it because there is no switching colours half-way, which I think makes things look less suspicious.

The discrepancy in that version, is very well covered by "not wanting to go through all cards one by one again", but spreading them out on the table instead, thereby revealing the red/black separation.

What I wasn't sure about is out to get into the initial set up, which in my case needs to be a 50/50 split.

So what I got out of the discussion so far is that I can do it

- very quickly and on the spot using the Stripper deck, or

- with a borrowed or standard deck using either

* the angle separation (Green/Brown),
* the 1-2 separation (Green),
* the Great Divide (Lorayne),
* or the Cull (KK).

I have an idea about how angle separation might work. I played with it and can go through the deck in 45 seconds, but the final cut looks very ugly. With the "user guide" and some practice, I guess I should be able to bring it to 30 seconds.

The cull, with my basic level, I can do in about a minute - which is an eternity Roadrunner will improve that I hope, and make it NOT look like I'm doing what I'm doing

How quickly do you guys manage, especially those who use the 1-2 separation or the great divide?

The reason I ask is that I'm trying to find out which is the quickest method, and which I should invest in first.

PMing you...

A friend of mind in Singapore and probably the best card handler I've ever seen live recommends the angle seperation of seperating the colours. He says its better than the road runner cull in his humble opinion (and he can do that as well)

Check him out on your tube under TheShade76 I think

gunnarkr wrote:

the stackman wrote:the roadrunner cull will take some considerable time to learn, and if the plan is to cull 26 cards, to get it looking in any way deceptive we are talking years.

also, the green and brown separation are the same thing. on TDPB he is describing green's angle separation.

OH! Heaven forbid that you have to spend time learning something. According to this a deck switch is the only way to go ... Not!

(What kind of attitude is this? Why not spend time and practice something new? Is this the impatient generation? Buy the DVD, view it once and go out table hopping!!! No, we are not talking “years”, a few weeks should be adequate.) [/rant]

what an utterly brainless thing to say. brainless in the fact that you are not looking at the context. i am not saying that someone should be dissuaded from learning something new or spending years perfecting something.

but the original question was how to separate the colours for a OOTW! does that really require a full deck cull?

it is akin to him asking the best way to travel 100 yards and us suggesting that he builds a hovercraft.

Not sure if it helps anyone, but if the deck's in red-black-red-black order (like a new deck for example), a riffle shuffle sets it up into red-black order. Think Paul Harris mentions it, but it could be someone else...

kartoffelngeist wrote:Not sure if it helps anyone, but if the deck's in red-black-red-black order (like a new deck for example), a riffle shuffle sets it up into red-black order. Think Paul Harris mentions it, but it could be someone else...

Nice, or a faro shuffle.

Grimshaw wrote:Obviously I took breaks in between...you know, to have a life and stuff.

Wow! You have life too? This sounds intriguing. Please tell!