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Is Paul Green still the best DVD based learning material for the Classic Force? I tried searching, but you can imagine how much info there was.

I would assume so. I don't know of any others ( better ) in existence.. but I could be wrong.. I've just not found anything

I also don't know of many other DVD's that are dedicated to this force and the Paul Green one would be a hard act to follow anyway (in my opinion).

Sorry to bring up such an old post but out of the hundreds of search results this one seemed the most appropriate to 'bump'

I have (stupidly) NOT been practising the classic force when performing (which in my experience is the only way to practice it) and as a result have lost confidence.

I know the 'method' and have started practising it again (with most tricks) but my success rate is not as good as it used to be and thinking about it now I realised that I haven't ever really studied this in as much detail as it deserves / requires.

I have only ever been taught one on one (mentor sadly no longer with us), read the section in Royal Road and Annemann's 202 forces and I wonder if Paul Green's DVD may be of some use despite 'knowing the method' (which doesn't always count for a lot).

So I suppose I am re asking the first question of the post from 4 years ago, is this still the best resource available for 'the classic force'?

Thanks in advance

I use the classic force all the time - including face up when they are trying to avoid that specific card! (it gets a brilliant reaction - try it!)

I learnt from oz Perlman on penguin magic instant download. Worth every penny of that couple of quid!

There was a lot of good advice on this very forum concerning the Classic Force. It was something to do with Paul Green's DVD. Possibly a review. I can't remember and I haven't the energy to search it out. A very valuable thread as I recall.

mark lewis wrote:There was a lot of good advice on this very forum concerning the Classic Force. It was something to do with Paul Green's DVD. Possibly a review. I can't remember and I haven't the energy to search it out. A very valuable thread as I recall.

Yes, there was a very long post by yourself I haven't the energy to read it.

I found most of it to be about general practice and application rather than learning it from scratch.

Beardy wrote:I use the classic force all the time - including face up when they are trying to avoid that specific card! (it gets a brilliant reaction - try it!)

I learnt from oz Perlman on penguin magic instant download. Worth every penny of that couple of quid!

This is the sort of info I am after thanks

As I said before I have read what Royal Road has to offer on the move, Annemann's 202, recently Card College and many other books. I have even been taught this one on one, had the luxury of conversing with, asking my source questions and gaining feedback.

Suppose what I want to know is what you folks consider the best source of learning this move as I want to 're learn' it or at least take notes.

The Paul Green DVD is good, he gives you a few pointers on how to guide the spectator to take that specific card in addition to timing.

I'm no expect on it, but I personally found that the biggest confidence boost is to have a 100% solid out in case the force misses.

For example, there are only two tricks where I use the classic force. In one of them it doesn't matter if I miss since I immediately go into a top-change and reveal. ( Doesn't sound like much admittedly, but in the context of the routine presentationally it makes complete sense) . The other trick again relies on using a DL to get back to the card to be forced.

I found that spending plenty of time practising what I would do assuming the force fails ( including if a card is taken above or below the force card, whether its taken near or far form the force card, whether I completely lose the force card in the process and so on) gives the confidence to just give it a try. Having your hands immediately know what to do if it fails jsut makes it seem part of your plan fro the outset.

I'm sure I'm not saying anything you don't already know though. Most learning sources are not going to tell you anything that you do not already know for this. It'll never be 100% certain, so just know exactly what you will do for the occasions it doesn't work and just revel in the miracle when it does work.

*Edit* As to where I learnt it initially it was from Matthew Dowden's Party Animal DVD set.

Rob

There are two recent publications that cover the classic force. Steven Youell has produced a short ebook explaining his approach; I've had a quick glance through it and the information is all good. A few months ago I wrote a column for MUM which covered the force in detail, if you have access to it (Joining SAM is a good deal just for the magazine, and you get the back issues - the last three years at least - online).

JammyT wrote:

mark lewis wrote:There was a lot of good advice on this very forum concerning the Classic Force. It was something to do with Paul Green's DVD. Possibly a review. I can't remember and I haven't the energy to search it out. A very valuable thread as I recall.

Yes, there was a very long post by yourself I haven't the energy to read it.

I found most of it to be about general practice and application rather than learning it from scratch.

Fine. Then figure it out for yourself, then. I was going to exert myself to find it but now I won't bother. Since I know more about this than anyone else methinks it is your loss rather than mine.

mark lewis wrote:

JammyT wrote:

mark lewis wrote:There was a lot of good advice on this very forum concerning the Classic Force. It was something to do with Paul Green's DVD. Possibly a review. I can't remember and I haven't the energy to search it out. A very valuable thread as I recall.

Yes, there was a very long post by yourself I haven't the energy to read it.

I found most of it to be about general practice and application rather than learning it from scratch.

Fine. Then figure it out for yourself, then. I was going to exert myself to find it but now I won't bother. Since I know more about this than anyone else methinks it is your loss rather than mine.

sorry mark but you probably wouldn't want to help me anyway

I'm one of those 'silly young people' that perform 'so called street magic' to complete strangers

Its well worth remembering that Paul Daniels teaches his method on one of his dvds.

http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/Inner_Sec ... s_DVD.html

and seriously, You have to go a long way to beat him when it comes to the Classic force. he even does it behind his back.

Dani DaOrtiz on his new DVD set goes over his handling of the force as well as many other timing and psychological forces extensively. He does it to laymen time and time again and to magicians time and time again...it's just impossible to not pick the card.

Lenoir wrote:Dani DaOrtiz on his new DVD set goes over his handling of the force as well as many other timing and psychological forces extensively. He does it to laymen time and time again and to magicians time and time again...it's just impossible to not pick the card.

Utopia?