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Eshly wrote:Can I point out that I know for a fact that The Real Hussle DO stage stuff. How much I don't know, but they do.

I've heard opposite. My proof is Paul Wilsons blog. What's yours?

kolm wrote:

Eshly wrote:Can I point out that I know for a fact that The Real Hussle DO stage stuff. How much I don't know, but they do.

I've heard opposite. My proof is Paul Wilsons blog. What's yours?

When I went to visit the BBC and I met the director who did it. He may have been lying to shut me up, but I doubt it.

And by the way, I don't think paul Wilsons blog is entierly reliable. Hell, Derren's site is censored.

Eshly wrote:

Klangster1971 wrote:

Eshly wrote:I feel let down by my idol. Thats why I'm angry. I feel like I've turned up at a Bono concert and he's just sat on stage banging to saucepans together.

There's a lesson there Tom.....! (and I don't mean the obvious fact that a U2 show would be vastly improved by Bono playing the saucepans!)

Whats the lesson?

Er..... maybe you shouldn't have put so much faith in 'your idol'? Or any idol for that matter? Maybe now you'll look back on all the posts where we've told you not to base your approach on Derren and try to just be yourself....?

If you do, then maybe tonight's show might be the most important Derren show you've ever seen.

Eshly wrote:He may have been lying to shut me up

Do you think?

If you'd ever met me you'd know that my performance is virtually nothing like Derren's. I overplay my high-functioning autism and go all "Sherlock Holmes".

Now can we not make this thread about me please and instead make this thread about how abismal this program was?

Do you think?

No, I don't think. Programs like that have used stooges since the dawn of tv. And it saddens me that Derren has become one of them.

Hell, its possibly even the earlier ones were stooged... but if so they were more convincing. Its far more probable that they arn't as good at faking it as they are at making it.

Seems like Derren is becoming the 'think positive guy' and less of the 'psychological illusionist'

Eshly wrote:Can I point out that I know for a fact that The Real Hussle DO stage stuff. How much I don't know, but they do.

And even they don't have bad stooges, I myself thought they were legit for ages.

the show wasn't about Mind Reading, if it was, people would complain they've seen it all before

Ohhh I see, well if thats the case, then I suppose all Mentalism is defunct. Ohh wait, its not. -.-
...and it wasn't bordom. I still have people who are worried what I did made them think. (spectator psychological card force + fake hypnosis = win)

Great so everything every mentalist ever does is think of something... I'll tell you what it is? There are some mentalists who choose not to go down the overly popular route of lying to their audiences about amazing psychological skills and do things like:

Metal bending
palmistry
clairvoyance
foresight

Are all these Mind Reading?

Eshly wrote:If you'd ever met me you'd know that my performance is virtually nothing like Derren's. I overplay my high-functioning autism and go all "Sherlock Holmes".

Now can we not make this thread about me please and instead make this thread about how abismal this program was?

No - because that's only your opinion... so we should allow others to have their view too.

I enjoyed it; I wasn't expecting a full-on magic and mentalism demonstration and I didn't get one. Stooges, bad-acting, gangsta-rap insurance clerks, whatever - I thought the message was valid and conveyed in an appropriate manner. And, for the record, I don't think the guy was a stooge, or a bad actor....

I agree, good message, but it had one major flaw:


THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BY STEPHEN FRY!

...not a Mentalist. Mentalists using stooges look bad (if they are bad actors like this guy)

phillipnorthfield wrote:

Eshly wrote:Can I point out that I know for a fact that The Real Hussle DO stage stuff. How much I don't know, but they do.

And even they don't have bad stooges, I myself thought they were legit for ages.

the show wasn't about Mind Reading, if it was, people would complain they've seen it all before

Ohhh I see, well if thats the case, then I suppose all Mentalism is defunct. Ohh wait, its not. -.-
...and it wasn't bordom. I still have people who are worried what I did made them think. (spectator psychological card force + fake hypnosis = win)

Great so everything every mentalist ever does is think of something... I'll tell you what it is? There are some mentalists who choose not to go down the overly popular route of lying to their audiences about amazing psychological skills and do things like:

Metal bending
palmistry
clairvoyance
foresight

Are all these Mind Reading?

EXACTLY!

Read what I said again... you are now attacking your own argument o.O

What? Stephen Fry?? But Derren wrote it!

Btw, the real hustle is staged in the sense they pick their marks carefully after research, everything that happens is pre-planned, and the situation would not happen otherwise

But are the marks actors? Nope

If you accept that Derren is a mentalist, i think he crossed that line a looong time ago.

If the Real Hustle team film with non actors and get sussed they will shoot with actors

I genuinely see it as a sign of weakness for anyone who works in magic or mentalism to cry "stooge" as soon as he sees something he can't account for.

Brown uses television to do stuff that only television can do. It's naive to think that the show consists of everything that happened. Before you cry stooge, think about that a little.

As for the train escape, you had a single engine going very slowly, and we don't quite know what led up to the jacketing, or how well the guy had been secured. If you had been watching carefully you would have seen that you only ever saw tight shots of the Matt on the track with the train behind him, making it impossible to gauge distance or speed, or shots of the wheels running over the tracks, again making a true guess of how fast the train is going impossible. The only clue we get as to speed is once the train has passed and we find that it's not moving very quickly. I don't know enough about trains to say this, but I doubt very much the train's engine was even engaged for the final stretch of track.

For the filming of the party van sequence, the programme makers had a lot of control over it inasmuch as they decided where the van and the actor should be.

And if Stephen Fry had done this instead of Derren Brown, chances are I wouldn't have watched it.

Well I was coming on here to have a decent chat about the show but clearly that's not going to happen!

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