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woo hoo this is my first post

ive been into magic ever since the first david blaine tv special.
i recorded it and sat infront of the TV for HOURS
figure out how he did each trick.

since then ive bought many DVD's (about 12)
mostly card magic. i have also been suckered into
silly kinda tricks like what steve fearson sells.
(waste of money)

Anyways, Id like to talk about one of David Blaine tricks which
i just found out is for sale on a website
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1365
(they have a video of it there if you missed the trick. )

beware i really dont think anyone should waste $20 USD on this trick.
after they showed the trick for the 3rd time im pretty sure ive figured
it out.

Edited by mods: this is exposure and is not acceptable on this forum.

I think that if you have come to this site to either expose secrets yourself, or get others to do so, then you have come to the wrong site.

Magicians don't expose secrets. The fact you visit the Penguin site says it all really.

hi good first post but expect all of the above to be sevearly edited as it comes under the terms of exposure and is a no no on this forum.
look its gone from mine too, so noone will know what we are talking about

Edited by mods: indeed it has

anyway the review is good and the video kind of gives the game away i hope penquin didn't pay to much for the rights to this trick.
you could go with your suggestion and suck the shoelace into the trouser leg then just as it vanishes do the needed bit to expose the tied lace.
don't feel put off by any editing that hapens its to protet you and this forum from procecusion not to have a go at you personaly.

Edited by mods: and here too.

im not exposing how they did it... im coming up with my own way and telling other magicians...

Either way, methods are being posted in an area that is open to anyone to read. we would appreciate it if you could keep future posts more cryptic. Once you become an established member you may be invited to the magicians only area where you can be slightly more open.

Darrel wrote:I think that if you have come to this site to either expose secrets yourself, or get others to do so, then you have come to the wrong site.

Magicians don't expose secrets. The fact you visit the Penguin site says it all really.

i thought this is a "talkMagic" board?

when i meet magicians in real life we always share
secrets. its how you bulid up your trick list.

or eles we put our heads together to figure out
how a certian trick works.

thats what im trying to do... put our heads together to
figure out a trick.

selling a stupid gimmic trick like this is just Greed.
you feel so stupid when you buy a trick like this.

That may be the case but it isn't just magicians that can read these posts. Exposure isn't looked upon in a good light (rightly so IMHO). The secret is the foundation of magic even with performance if the trick is exposed it has no magical or mysterious quality.

I understand where you're coming from... I've bought stupid tricks and felt silly for buying them.

But you didnt read the rules and regs... if you had then you'd have known that even if a trick is silly and expensive, we don't expose the secret.

Sorry in all that mate, but them's the rules.

we put our heads together to figure out
how a certian trick works.

no problem with this but would you do this knowing you were being filmed live to 20 million viewers on a magic exposure programe, ofcause you would'nt and rightly so.

its just like that this part of the forum is open to anyone who wants to look and many search robots look for this exact open exposure.

its not a personal dig as iv'e already stated though it may seem that way in print.
we have thease rules to set us apart from other exposure sites that trade freely in secrets and its this trait and others that atracts magicians to this site like yourself.

uhm, i have no idea how "they" did this trick.
(so im not exposing "their" secret since i dont know it)

this is my "OWN" take on the trick.

and im sharing "MY" take on this trick on a magician forum
with other magicians.

im not here to expose everything... this is
My take on this silly gimmic trick and came here
to openly talk about it with other mature magicians
to help clean up my take on it, and hopefully add some insight
to another magician who might want to know this.

If we cannt openly talk about magic... then whats the point of this
forum??? to sell???

does anyone know a forum for magicians to openly talk as they
would in real life? .. this is just crazy.

this is "Support & Tips".

Dude... this is a public area. Anyone can access it.
That means that anyone can see it, which means people are getting at least a method for this tirck, and as magicians we're not down with that...

We'd love to see this trick performed if you'd care to upload a video in the File Sharing area.


But this isn't just magicians talking mate... exclusively magicians talk in the Resitricted Access area. But like I said before... absolutely anyone can see these posts

Just for the record, I think this trick is great. I really like it. Only thing is, is that I never really wear trainers? I generally wear boat shoes (Timberland type things) These shoes have thinner, stronger leather strand type laces (Am I clear on that?) Could I still perform this in my shoes?

I realize my expletives will be deleted, but with this guy - I can't hold them back. Mods - my apologies in advance.

First and foremost, I think you should cut the "stupid/silly gimmick" stuff. Just because you think you know how something is done, doesn't mean it's suddenly a worthless piece of garbage. Someone (in this case, Jay Noblezada) went through a great deal of work to come up with an effect that they are proud of. Just because the props used may be simplistic, doesn't take away from the hard work and creativity that went into making it.


So you figured out how to do it? Good for you. Now tell me, with 100% honesty that you could have INVENTED it. Tell me without lying that you had thought of this EXACT effect before Jay did. It's easy to cast it off as simplistic, when you know what is going on behind the scenes. But, could you have come up with your method without seeing that one first? Perhaps, but I'm going to say probably not.


Bear that in mind the next time you want to s*** on someone else's work. Why don't you do as others have asked and post a video of your method. Go ahead, and then allow me the honor of calling it s***, saying it's a stupid, silly gimmick, going on at great length about how much you suck, and how selling that would be a waste of my money. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't take that kind of criticism too well.

What makes it stupid, is your own opinion. If a spectator doesn't see the gimmick, he doesn't know there is one. You think it's stupid because you know it's there. It's exactly the same kind of thinking that made me leave my vernet tt on the shelf. "I can see it, so will everyone else". You think it's stupid, so you feel everyone else should think that way, too.

If you don't like the effect - FINE. Tell us you don't like it. Tell us it's not your style. But don't you DARE speak of something as stupid and worthless, and get your dander up when others step forth in an attempt to stop you from braying like a jackass.

As for what the purpose of this forum is - you've already shown that you have no clue. Magic isn't just about getting together and swapping information. We don't condone that, because we respect the men and women who are devoted, creative, inventive, and passionate about the craft of magic. Those who have put a great deal of effort into making something that the rest of us can purchase and use to amaze our own audiences.

We come here to talk to each other about magic - what it means to us, what we're doing with it in our lives. And yes, in some cases we discuss methods, handlings and inventions - but we do so behind closed doors. You said yourself, you meet with other magicians and swap secrets. Do you just pull random people off the streets and tell them how to do an ambitious card routine?

If you're going to stick around here, please bear these things in mind. If this was your invention, I'm sure you'd want people to be respectful when speaking of it. As well, you wouldn't want the method behind it to be publicly available. All we ask is that you give that same respect and consideration to others.

Well said Demitri, you beat me to it. This forum has been going in its present form for, looking back at past posts and all of that, about three years or so, and many of the threads have not been about selling magic at all, but people discussing effects and, as Demitri said, discussing magic and what it means to us and just generally enjoying what can be quite a 'lonely' art (in the sense that, for example, I only really talk with a few magicians regularly who I occasionally see in the 'real world', but this forum brings me in to contact with hundreds of other magicians) with others who enjoy it too.

'Support and Tips' is about helping people with any issues that they may have with a particular effect, and very little is openly said. Don't be offended that your post got moderated; if any other member were to do it the same thing would happen. The Routines and R&D areas are the place for sharing ideas, but again as Demitri said they are Restricted so as to allow a somewhat more open discussion, although it is not a place where effects are exposed (unless the creator wishes to do so, of course). Hopefully you will stick around and learn from this thread to one day get access to the MO boards. Posting as you have been however is not the right way to go about it, but I guess you are an eager magic enthusist and that's great, but please just abide by and respec the Talk Magic rules in future.

Well said.

Oh, Cardza beat me to mt "well said".