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by **Jordan C** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:09

But why all the other stuff? At the end of the day human nature would make us have a go and secondly, just a quick hypno session would set someone in the mindstate to volunteer.

Another thing I didn't like is the absence of natural human behaviour after the announcement that they needed someone to help land the plane. In a real situation there would have been at least mild hysteria amongst the passengers. You wouldn't just carry on about your business.

by **Jordan C** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:12

Grimshaw wrote:the show was basically an hour dedicated to something he could have done with a hypno-script when the guy was under. Getting Channel 4 to throw hundreds of thousands of pounds chartering aircraft, throwing street parties and hiring simulators made for a more entertaining show of course, but felt a little surplus to requirements.

I was making a very similar point at the same time lol... my message was written without knowing what you'd said until after posting

by **Mandrake** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:12

Cue all those plane crash jokes....

'I was on a plane recently when the engines failed and the pilot told us we were all doomed. A woman next to me screamed to the Priest sitting next to her 'Why don't you do something religious in our hour of need?' So he took a collection....'

OK, sorry, back on topic..... :wink:

by **Mr_Grue** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:17

Weird conflict going on on the plane. The situation is totally unrealistic, but if you have a plane full of people not questioning it then you yourself are much less likely to question it. But he decides not to be a bystander by attempting to land the plane, not by questioning the situation. To me that seems like quite a tightrope to walk him along.

Also I got the feeling that his fear of flying wasn't genuine. In the audition he says he doesn't fly because of the way it makes him feel, but doesn't elaborate on that. He doesn't say he fears flying, only that he doesn't fly. It's Brown who frames this as a fear.

by **froggymchop** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:23

Can anyone comment on the 'dream like state' Derren had him in when he told him to get out of bed? Would simply telling him it's a dream do it, I''ve seen alot of arguments stating that hypnosis is still a concious state where people more 'play along'. And I would've thought having Derren Brown in your back garden and taking you to see a crocodile 'snap you out of it'.

This is based on my very limited knowledge of hypnosis, of course. Overall I enjoyed the show. Despite being a bit peeved at the whole 'live' thing.

by **IAIN** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:38

more importantly, why was the guy nearly always wearing the same clothes? the white t-shirt (v-neck with the big black text) and the similar white beanie hat? does he not own other clothes?

by **phillipnorthfield** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:41

froggymchop wrote:Can anyone comment on the 'dream like state' Derren had him in when he told him to get out of bed? Would simply telling him it's a dream do it, I''ve seen alot of arguments stating that hypnosis is still a concious state where people more 'play along'. And I would've thought having Derren Brown in your back garden and taking you to see a crocodile 'snap you out of it'.

This is based on my very limited knowledge of hypnosis, of course. Overall I enjoyed the show. Despite being a bit peeved at the whole 'live' thing.

Contrary to popular belief, you CAN be hypnotized to do nearly anything, just ask Mr Jacquin, add to this things like DR, all the belief people have when caught of guard, and nearly any of derrens routines COULD have been done with hypnosis, you'll never be able to tell. The guy didn't look cataleptic, maybe he wasn't hypnotized, he didn't need to be, a quick sugestion and amnesia afterwards saying it was all a dream was all that would have been needed for the same effect.

by **phillipnorthfield** » Sep 9th, '10, 11:43

IAIN wrote:more importantly, why was the guy nearly always wearing the same clothes? the white t-shirt (v-neck with the big black text) and the similar white beanie hat? does he not own other clothes?

I thought it was stranger he went to work as an insurance manager wearing them to be honest.

by **Mr_Grue** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:00

He said his job was "insurance advisor". That could quite easily mean he works in a call centre.

by **themagicwand** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:10

TV blog from the Guardian:

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by **phillipnorthfield** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:12

Mr_Grue wrote:He said his job was "insurance advisor". That could quite easily mean he works in a call centre.

figures, he didn't seem sharp enough to steal peoples money

by **Jordan C** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:20

Guardian Blog wrote:10.14pm: Derren's infiltration of Matt's mind appears to have made no difference to his dress sense, which is part Ali G, part Dexy's Midnight Runners.

HA HA HA HA

Blog Again wrote: Matt has the chance to spread joy and kindness. He is doing this by continuing to dress as a slack-jawed Aston from JLS.

It's like the worst cringeworthy moment in the worst soap in the world ever. Now he's just creepy. Derren, leave the boy alone.

Apparently there is a train coming. I'm not sure that Network Rail would be entirely happy about this, so I'm guessing that's not actually the case. Oh look, there's the world's slowest train. Hmm.

The captain is sick, and it's all getting a bit tense. Someone gasps, a clear indicatior of tension and worth the Equity card all on its own.

OK, here's the thing. Everyone on the plane is an actor, so they're clearly not going to volunteer to land the plane. Matt doesn't want to volunteer either, but there's a member of the cabin crew hanging over him pretty much saying "it's all down to you, Matt, or we're going to DIE". He hardly jogged up the aisle going "Pick ME!, Pick ME!, did he? Wouldn't we ALL have done what Matt did?

I don't know anymore. I think Derren has messed with my head. I'm not actually in a c*** (not the best) hotel in Huddersfield at all. I'm actually dancing up a train track in a straightjacket with a crocodile, being chased by a very slow train.

Similar thoughts to many on this thread then

by **IAIN** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:21

questions/thoughts...

definitely not a stooge/actor
why? because if it was all stooged, he could have gone even "bigger", some big bank robbery where he saves the day (as an example)...

and he wouldnt have needed the pretend-cockpit...

the guy's facial expressions were natural...and he could control them that well as an actor, then he would have also have had voice coaching and been a movie star by now...

it focused a lot more on "them" rather than derren this time, in fact, face-time, derren could have only of had about ten minutes worth, if that...a bit more of a "giving" kinda programme...

maybe he's giving back to his viewers in a well meaning way...

strangely though, that he picked someone religious, and its probably ramped up his religious beliefs a little too...and derren's very anti all that stuff normally...i wonder if he's loosening his grip on that afterall?

by **phillipnorthfield** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:37

Yeah, definitely wasn't an actor, if he was... He ain't anymore! I found the religious bit quite interesting as well, don't think it was a 'dig' at Christians though, probably wasn't even planned. There's definitely a lot more goin on than we saw though. The rain on derren and not him, the perfect sound, the stopping the clock in the nick time? A stranger holding his hand on a plane? The obvious movie references?

by **daleshrimpton** » Sep 9th, '10, 12:51

In hindsight, Im still thinking why?

Derren took an hour or so 50 extras, a jumbo jet, and a live link with Davina.

Good Old Gok Wan can change peoples life in 3 minutes,Just by giving them a new pair of knickers.

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